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eeeBu

11-27-2009 04:30 AM

9.10 with enlightenment & gnome

Hi everyone

I would like to try ubuntu with a different window manager. So far im gonna put a hold on the popular KDE and try out one thats more appealing to me. Enlightenment, does anyone have experience installing this on karmic koala?

Im aware that you can keep the gnome WM and install enlightenment and have an option of which to boot on startup.

Is it easier doing it this way?

So...any simple guides to installing enlightenment?

i thought this time, i would post my question before i got myself into a mess

spiderbatdad

11-27-2009 01:08 PM

If you want to try e16 it's in your package manager, and shouldn't give you any problems. If you want the latest and greatest e17, you'll have to get it through SVN, I believe.
I did find this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916690 Guess I'll give it a go too.

eeeBu

11-27-2009 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderbatdad (Post 3771673)

If you want to try e16 it's in your package manager

Ah yeh?...can you tell me how to load it please?

spiderbatdad

11-27-2009 09:07 PM

oh sorry. logout and select it from the options at the login screen. or manually e16 --replace.

linus72

11-28-2009 06:20 AM

Ha!

I installed e17 last night into my Phalanx setup
I really like it,but I think I configured it wrong
as there's all kinds of stuff on the toolbar,like every app:)
and so i guess I got some learning to do...

Is there a nice tutorial somewhere on setting up/tweaking
e17??
Thanks!

repo	11-28-2009 06:36 AM

Quote:

Is there a nice tutorial somewhere on setting up/tweaking
e17??

You need to use the command
enlightenment-remote
Since the conf files are all bin files.
try

Code:

enlightenment-remote –help

or use the GUI

See also
http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide

linus72

11-28-2009 06:37 AM

As always
Your the Man Repo:)

eeeBu

11-28-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderbatdad (Post 3771953)

oh sorry. logout and select it from the options at the login screen. or manually e16 --replace.

that doesnt work....

Quote:

Originally Posted by linus72 (Post 3772262)

how did you install it?
iis phalanx Gnome interface?...

repo	11-28-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

how did you install it?

Open the package-manager => synaptic
search for e17 or e16
and install them.
Once installed, when you login, at the loginmanager, whre you put your login and pass, there is an option to choose the windowmanager you want to start.

eeeBu

11-28-2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repo (Post 3772573)

Ok so i went to System -> synaptic package manager

no such results for "E17, E16 or Enlightenment"

linus72

11-28-2009 05:38 PM

eeeBu
you gotta add the e17 to your sources.list
to do this goto System/software sources

add this line, hit the "add" button and copy/paste this into the box

Code:

deb http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os tinwoodman main

then; open a terminal and do

Code:

sudo wget -q http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os/key.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -

then do

Code:

sudo apt-get update

then do

Code:

sudo apt-get install e17-svn

it will take a while to build after downloading
my took abbout an hour
dont close the terminal while its building

eeeBu

11-29-2009 06:26 AM

does anyone know how i would enable my wireless in E17?

i must admit it is a stunning UI! fits perfect on netbooks, every window is set like in NBR so they take up less space. However i cant seem to get the taskbar to be 30pixel!! it skips in 4s :s

evo2	11-29-2009 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eeeBu (Post 3773125)

does anyone know how i would enable my wireless in E17?

How did you do it before? If you were using some gui that sits in the systray, you should be able to use it in E17 too.

I remember a few years ago there were problems with the systray in E17 since Carsten was not at all happy with the definition of what a systray actaully is, but I thought these were resolved.

Evo2.

eeeBu

11-30-2009 05:24 AM

I havent connect to the web yet with E17 :(

there is nothing on startup to enable the wireless card and i cant run Network Manager that works on gnome for some reason. I think it is dedicated to gnome perhaps.

Any ideas anyone?

evo2	11-30-2009 05:33 AM

You should be able to use either network-manger or wicd. Or you can can configure your /etc/network/interfaces file and issue the command 'ifup eth0', where I'm assuming eth0 is the device you want to use.

Evo2.

eeeBu

11-30-2009 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evo2 (Post 3774202)

network manager for some reason doesnt appear, if i manually find it all it does is tell me about my connection that is setup through gnome, i dont know how to actually activate it!

hmm...can you please expand on editing that file

evo2	11-30-2009 04:24 PM

Standard configuration for wired dhcp interface, would have an entry in /etc/network/interfaces like this:

Code:

allow-hotplug eth0

iface eth0 inet dhcp

Please read the "interfaces" man page, and perhaps google for a tutorial on the web.

Cheers,

Evo2.

exvor

11-30-2009 08:20 PM

I do not think that will work for wireless evo. Wireless requies some sort of manager or you can manually use the iwconfig command to get it going.

If you have the most recent version of iwconfig you can connect to almost any kind of network. You can use iwconfig --help to get all the options but the most of the time you would do something like this assuming your wireless card is eth1 and your wireless is named tacos :P

Code:

 

iwconfig eth1 essid "TACOS" 

iwconfig eth1 key <-- This should be the passkey or the hex key from line 1 

iwconfig channel 11 <--- this may not be needed but needs to be the right channel if you use it.

you would then need to setup dhcp somehow if you have dhcpcd you can just do dhcpcd eth1

NOTE:This is no permanent and will not auto configure when you reboot so making a script that you can run as root would be helpful.

evo2	11-30-2009 08:32 PM

Correct it won't work for wireless, but I don't recall the OP saying they had wireless. Anyway, the equivalent entry in /etc/network/interfaces for wireless with wep would look something like:

Code:

allow-hotplug eth0

iface eth0 inet dhcp

wireless_key abcd123456 # Use this format for hex

#wireless_key s:foobar # Use this format with the "s:" for ascii

wireless_essid mynetwork

wireless_mode managed

Basically the lines starting with "wireless_" are passed to iwconfig, so that you don't have to run it manually.

Cheers,

Evo2.

PS. Oops, the OP did specify wireless: my bad.

eeeBu

12-01-2009 11:27 AM

yeh i did :P

why cant there be an app that runs on gnome to work alongside enlightenment!!!
this is become a mission...

i'll give it a try later on and get back to you guys
thanks for the replies

evo2	12-01-2009 09:22 PM

Quote:

why cant there be an app that runs on gnome to work alongside enlightenment!!!
this is become a mission...

As has been suggested, you can try wicd since it has no desktop dependencies.

Additionally, it seems there is a wicd compatible e17 module that you can enable within e17. Did you try?

Evo2.

eeeBu

12-02-2009 02:51 PM

nope nothing with the name WCID dude

also, when i login to Enlightenment, there are afew desktop items (HD) and when i logout and come back to gnome, those icons appear on this desktop but i cant use them....

evo2	12-02-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eeeBu (Post 3777533)

It does not have the name WCID (or WICD), just look for something network related. Do you know how to search for and enable modules in e17?

Evo2.

eeeBu

12-03-2009 10:07 AM

Nope :/

any suggestions?

evo2	12-03-2009 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eeeBu (Post 3778513)

any suggestions?

Yes post #19 or google and you will find pages like

http://watchwolf.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=exalt

Edit: Ok, not sure where you got your e17 packages from, but did you install a package called emodule-net?

Evo2.

eeeBu

12-04-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evo2 (Post 3778961)

nope i havent installed anything except E17 through the terminal.

how would i go about installing something on E17 if i cant logonto the net?

resetreset

12-13-2009 09:01 AM

I've always wondered why they don't include E17 with mainstream distros. It used to look *bloody* awesome when I tried it back in '96 or '97.

linus72

12-13-2009 09:33 PM

Hey I was wonderin if anyonne knew if I could install e17-svn while at the command line, no X, no desktop
just do a minimal ubuntu install and then install e17?

will it work?

repo	12-14-2009 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linus72 (Post 3790399)

Hey I was wonderin if anyonne knew if I could install e17-svn while at the command line, no X, no desktop
just do a minimal ubuntu install and then install e17?

will it work?

try

Code:

sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os tinwoodman main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"

wget -q http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os/key.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install e17-svn

linus72

12-14-2009 06:40 AM

WOW

totally awesome!
I made a script that takes a ubuntu-mini-remix-9.10.iso and makes it into a working e17 Livecd thats installable!

Holy S^%$!
I didn't think it would work...but it did!

However, when booting the cd at desktop you gotta click a few buttons to set up e17 how you want
then it pops up great!

so, anyway I'm writing the short How-To and will post it in General directly
if any e17 experts please post as I know little about it overall...

you will need a runinng 9.10 hd install or a livecd with access to a 3+ GB free space
and the script and mini=-remix iso(150MB)
and an internet connection, of course
and it will copy your existing /etc/apt folder to the livecd squashfs, so have your repos setup too:)

anyway, gotta go finish it....

linus72

12-14-2009 08:46 AM

OK

who knows how to configure e17 without X?

I tried running Xnest while chrooted but e17 wont start via command

enlightenment_start

specifically

Code:

Xnest -ac :2 &

and then I did in e17 chroot terminal

Code:

env DISPLAY=":2" enlightenment_start &

and it just says no such file,etc?

its in /opt so pretty weird place huh?

any ideas on how to start e17 in Xnest
or how to setup e17 desktop,etc without X??
thanks

OH
heres some pics of the livecd I made with script
the pics are what happens when it boots to desktop
e17 must be configured first...

http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/1st-step.png

http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/2nd-step.png

http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/3rd-step.png

http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/4th-step.png

http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/5th-step.png

after configuring on livecd
http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/default-e17.png

and then after installing to a partition
http://multidistro.com/scripts/e17/nice.png

Hell yeah!

so, help me out guys...?

the trooper

12-14-2009 09:35 AM

Have you seen this from their wiki:

http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index....e_command_line

linus72

12-14-2009 09:39 AM

thanks bro I'll try it:)

look for the thread detailing the build in a minute....

my Bash sucks so maybe you can help perfect the script??

the trooper

12-14-2009 09:45 AM

Quote:

my Bash sucks so maybe you can help perfect the script??

Wish i could.I know squat about scripting!!.

linus72

12-14-2009 10:40 AM

well
wheres the xinitrc for ubuntu-9.10
as there is no /home/user etc
so no .xinitrc ??

Quote:

Have you seen this from their wiki:

http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index....e_command_line

the trooper

12-14-2009 10:48 AM

I was thinking of trying the full path to the executable.
Something like /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment_start.
I take it you tried that already?.

repo	12-14-2009 10:54 AM

If the command is not in your chroot, you can use

Code:

chroot NEWROOT [COMMAND [ARGS]...]

linus72

12-14-2009 10:57 AM

yeah I did

I tried many combos

like youra and all kinds of stuff
damn it

I mean the CD works as is so not a issue
but I would like to have e17 fully configed before making into iso?

I also noticed when I ran the script a moment ago and just added e17 and gdm, etc
and added the

Code:

chroot squashfs-root/ easy_e17.sh -u



chroot squashfs-root/ easy_e17.sh -u -only=etk_extra esmart enhance exml imlib2 edb edje_editor edje_player edje_viewer emotion entrance eclair evfs evolve elicit elitaire emphasis empower engycad entrance_edit_gui entropy ephoto estickies expedite exquisite extrackt engage enthrall exalt exalt-client exhibit rage drawer emu flame moon news penguins rain snow language photo efm_path efm_nav e_phys mpdule notification b_and_w

it made a bad iso
so maybe no easy_e17.sh prior to making iso?

for the Xnest stuff I was referring here for Debian
from the 2nd post
http://www.debe17.com/web_pages/dean...apr08.php.html

specifically

Quote:

Now you can start the graphical environment in the xnest window.
if you have e17 installed then start it with the following command

Code:

env DISPLAY=":2" enlightenment_start &

so, I dont know?

j1alu

12-19-2009 06:25 PM

from here:
http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/content/op...ebian-gnulinux

check if its in the path:

Code:

OzOs-debian:/# cat /etc/profile | grep "/opt/e17/bin"

PATH="/opt/e17/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"

PATH="/opt/e17/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games"

if not:

Code:

sed -i "s/PATH=\"/PATH=\"\/opt\/e17\/bin\:/g" /etc/profile

i run into that kind of trouble too, but only now and then.
not sure why (on a usual install on hard-disk, not from xnest).
i could solve it but i don`t know how anymore...lol.

there is a tool called enlightenment_remote. as i don`t know about it and ain`t got interest in learning it you may ask at cafelinux.org.
perhaps someone might tell you (from what i know i don`t think it really is what you want. it ain`t big fun. lol)

for such purposes going the repo way might be more easy.

ps:i did install and configure enlightenment from xnest and live-helper, so it is possible.

good luck

linus72

12-19-2009 06:32 PM

hey whats up j1alu?

check it out
and heres proof-of-concept
Phalanx2 e17!
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...wnload-776855/

j1alu

12-19-2009 06:47 PM

hi linus72,
you got it solved? or is alpha the version without configuration?
i think i will try...

btw: you like e17?

linus72

12-19-2009 07:03 PM

Lovin e17 Dude
never saw a WM like this one
still have much to learn...

I call it an alpha cause you gotta setup e17 yourself
i tried configuring it, but it either freakered out or came up at boot with initial e17 setup

now, the iso offered lets you start with the default e17 scheme
but other themes and wallpapers are in there:)

try it out
and you can re-run the setup from e17 module load menu

it installs just like reg ubuntu

I'm making a Debian Live 503 one now dude
much harder in a way cause ubuntu looks out for depends,etc more

j1alu

12-19-2009 07:14 PM

yes, its great, and i`m far from knowing all its configurations or modules...

mhh, its just an idea, and i never did it:
you can`t run it, configure it, save /home/user/.e somewhere and put it into the final iso?
perhaps.

but, its quite a dumb question as i know you build iso`s day in and out, you did create a user after chroot, yes? sorry for this question.

as said: i would try the repos and ask at cafelinux for help.

i will check your iso and let you know.

linus72

12-19-2009 07:28 PM

Oh

I had to use Xnest as root to setup /root
I then transferred most of that, notably
.mozilla, .e, .subversion, and some other folders
to

/etc/skel
etc/skel populates /home/$NAME
then you gotta chown all of etc/skel before mksquashfs'n it

Code:

chroot squashfs-root/ chown -R root:root /etc/skel/

chroot squashfs-root/ chown -R root:root /etc/skel/*

chroot squashfs-root/ chown -R root:root /etc/skel/.*

just to make sure,LOL

anyway, no, no users setup
its the default ubuntu livecd with e17

note that there is no Gnome desktop, just e17...

j1alu

12-19-2009 07:44 PM

how do you login if you only got root?
as (default)- user with autologin or as root?
i would try adding a user.

but:i had that problem too, as said, so it might be something completely different.

linus72

12-19-2009 08:01 PM

no
its ubuntu's default user
you know
with any ubuntu it autologins livecd as user "ubuntu"

mine works same way

j1alu

12-19-2009 10:06 PM

i haven`t read the complete thread, but the way described on debe17.com ( the link you gave above) doesnt allways work
check/compare with this:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.p...rt=240#p255403
i am downloading the 9.10 atm and will let you know
(but i will use the repo-version)

j1alu

12-19-2009 10:52 PM

without further investigation i havent got an idea neither.
i was hoping i could su ubuntu, but no chance.

i added a user and as you can see here:
e in xnest
i could enlightenment_start and do some configuration.
but thats not what you want and all that autologin is beyond me. i`m happy if i`m able to disable it :) ...sorry.

linus72

12-20-2009 04:32 AM

yeah
just make a user

I didnt setup user, as with reg Ubuntu.
that way the end user can set it up:)

I finished the lenny one last night
works better than the ubuntu one

note that i used my own 503box live rc2 iso
http://multidistro.com/downloads/current/current.html

and its already got fluxbox,etc so now it has e17 too
and its already got user "guest" so very easy

so, you got any improvements for script??:)

OH
did you notice that the ubuntu e17 is fully ubuntu compliant?
ubuntu boot and etc?

it'll go on usb persistent with unetbootin/usb-creator

j1alu

12-20-2009 11:23 AM

Quote:

so, you got any improvements for script??

no, i`m a barbar. i use e17 as my window-manager, and thats it (i barely use its modules, etc). lol.

i have said it before and i think you are doing it that way (from your shots): the OzOs-script has tweaked the easy_e17.sh in a nice way.
you may update your svn-version and have got a backup (or several) of your running svn-version, you get informed about updates (well: they are daily anyway) and what not.

when not using a repo i use the OzOs-script, and, as i run debian, use this how-tow by Bro.Tiag:
http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/content/op...ebian-gnulinux
But i also used the very same how-to to put e17 from source on Linux-Mint, Antix and Ubuntu
(just to check if it works).
i do it as simple as:

Quote:

put the OzOs-sources into my sources-list
apt-get install e17-svn

Thats it.Done.
perhaps add the OzOs look and feel
perhaps adapt the path
perhaps copy /etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu to my home-folder .config/menu

here are some further info about e17 to be found:
http://debe17.com/
Recommendation->the complete list of OzOs-how-to`s:
http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/content/how-index
a few very easy tips to configure i have added here (but its outdated):
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38422

ride the lightning :)

i got a question:
when following your link its the rc2 version, debian on more gas, correct?

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