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Your Presidential Pick???
Who would you vote for if the election was today.
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Please dont do this, Threads like this will always end up in a massive flame war!
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I'm choosig Kerry, not that he's great or anything. I'm not even old enough to vote but I do pay attention to the news, and it sounds like at this point anyone would be better thatn bush.
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If I could, I would vote for Bush b/c Kerry has more waffles than a house of pan cakes.
-Joey |
Nader / Camejo
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Bush/Cheney, Better to stick with a devil you know than hire one you dont.
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I figure I'm voting Libertarian.
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May a non-american vote?
If so, Ralph Nader gets a vote from Sweden! Martin |
People/parties I vote for usually end up on the losing side. So I'd vote for George.W.Bush if I were an American :D :D
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humm, erm..., I'm not from the US..., but anyways I wouldn't know..., I hate bush...(well, I hate his way of doing things...), but kerry doesn't sound any better...
well so..., a question for US citizens (you can vote...) what's the main difference between them? (foreign politics, internal politics..., others...) |
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Nader
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Nader voters, please reconsider and vote for Kerry. i know there is not much difference, but there is SOME difference. and if bush wins it takes us further away from what we want, while a Kerry win will not take us quite as far away.
i was a Green and voted for Nader last time, but i changed my party affiliation to vote in the democratic primaries if necessary and i will vote for Kerry in the general this year. i live in NY so it doesn't make a huge difference, but even here with Pataki as gov and with bush exploiting 9-11 there may be some remote chance that bush will become competitive. every vote counts everywhere (unlike last time, we hope :p). i respect Ralph Nader greatly, but the simple fact is the country and the world cannot handle another four years of corporate/cheney rule with bush as their puppet. bush rolling back the EPA clean air and clean water acts, allowing more mercury and particulate to be dumped into the envrionment, and his failing to cooperate with the world on Kyoto is enough to show how absolutely dangerous he is. we already can't eat the freshwater fish in 19 states because of the mercury contamination, and under bush that has been and will continue to be greatly worsened. whether we eat fish or not isn't the point -- that's just a marker of how bad it is. tens or even hundreds of thousands of children will develop childhood onset asthma every year as a result of the bush policies, and as someone with asthma let me assure you, that is more damaging to their lives than any terrorist is likely to be. by contrast, Kerry has the BEST environmental record in the Senate -- a fact that is not touted in the corporate media b/c the reason bush is there is to benefit big oil and the corporate polluters, and that's all he is there for. it is sad that so many people have to be brainwashed 1984-style (1984: "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery." bush: "When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace" -- actual quote) into thinking bush is somehow put there for them, but the sadder fact is the fact of the actual damage being done by his pro-corporate, anti-citizen policies. Nader voters: please reconsider! Kerry 04! |
Got to love the environment. I just feel we aren't doing enough. We ought to do something similar to Clinton with the Grand Staircase-Escalante in places that we need it like New York. I'm sure those Utah kids are going to live to be 120 with 1.7 million acres of wilderness right in the back yard. Too bad they lost all that tax revenue so they can't get an education but hey they will live twice as long as those poor New York kids.
With Kerry as president 56% of kids won't get the flu next year, there won't be a single case of asthma, however there may be more diabetics because of all the sugary goodness. :rolleyes: |
amen to that.
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LOL@BUSH!!!111 k3rr1 pwns j00!! He teh uber h4x0r!!!111
Sorry, been on irc alot lately... I need sleep.... |
I am going to vote against who foreign countries and terrorist leaders would vote for.
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Hg++: http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/Comme...SJ-mercury.htm |
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that way all the foreign countries and terrorists will continue to hate us. there is a limit on how much we can step over people, and that limit was reached on 9-11. if your post is any sign, it did'nt help much. ignorance rages on. |
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bush has been the worst failure in the war on terror that anyone could possibly imagine. but maybe that's not surprising, seeing how he terrorized the tax code and the environment -- apparently terrorism is in his blood. he does it with a smirk, though, you have to give him that. :rolleyes: somehow that really fools people, although i haven't figured out yet how that works. no, it's time for an adult in the WH instead of an arrested adolescent. it's time for a real leader, not a cheerleader. |
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I feel this country is in threat of danger on a very large scale with bush in office.. I feel this threat is enevitable with Kerry in office. Kerry's idea of securing America, giving the UN control over the US military. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=37068 (yes the paper was written in 1970, he has probably changed his mind on it a few times.. but he is a loose cannon) The UN can't control what is put on their hamburgers at lunch... why would I feel safe with them making the call if america can use their military for something? doesnt sound like a good idea to me. Kerry cannot make up his mind on anything.. some call it a "political message" I call it stupidity. It's funny that kerry says Bush should not of went to war with Iraq, being that he voted for it. Doesnt seem like something he should be arguing? Either way, you are free to vote for Kerry and I encourage you to vote for him if that is who you want. But the decision of who is president belongs to everyone as a whole. |
i guess you missed it last week when bush was at the UN asking them to get on board. :rolleyes:
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If we all voted for Kerry just because Nader can't win, we're just helping to solidify the idea of a 2-party system. The more independants and others enter the race, the less focus there will be on parties, and hopefully more focus will be put on the individual candidates' qualifications...as it should be. I like Linux because it's good, not because it's popular. I don't care if Windows continues to have control for several years to come....I like Linux. I don't care so much anymore if Bush gets re-elected...I quit being a patriot years ago, and if Bush screws things up any worse I'll just quit being an American...no big deal. =o) |
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it's like saying: i think linux is the better OS, but i'm going to vote for the third party choice that ensures i will have to use windows. it might seem to make sense to vote for the third party because of your "principles," but in reality you are hurting your chances in the long term of actually getting the result you want. but please, vote the way you see fit. i am just throwing out another perspective and i take no offense if you don't buy it. :) |
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waiting for them to make up their minds is another. |
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Still waiting for this quote to come out: Better the devil you know than the one you don't Sorry I just don't think Kerry is an improvement. I think there will be just as much mercury with Kerry as Bush. The air won't be any cleaner or the trees any greener. Well I'll just let you think they are greener with Kerry's support of the roadless initiative you're just going to have to pretend because you can't go out there and see them. At least until the forest fire burns them all down... ;) |
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Hey maybe the american system is the best. Since politicians lie there a*se off anyhow, why not have a big party and wave some flags, instead of pretending to discuss some serious issues. :D
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Just wondering (ahah yes us ignorant americans...) what are political systems in Eurpope like, and how do they compare to America's??? Thanks for the nice posts everyone.
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Isn't this wonderful? Politics sounds like a BSD v. Linux or Slackware v. Gentoo v. Pick Your Distro debate. Just because you disagree about the way one OS deals with things doesn't mean that OS is evil. Anyhow, apply that to politics. If every thing was the same color, what sort of tapestry would that weave?
As for foreign leaders being angry at us, they have been trying to get people to be nice to each other in the schools since time began. Is it working? No. The best you can do is supress the anger until it blows up. Let's face it, there are people on this planet who don't like you just because you look funny. It's the way the dice rolls. |
Your all forgetting something, In the presidential election the electoral college votes for president, not the people and yes please vote for Nader, Kerry and Bush are practically the same thing. Theres very little difference between the two.
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IMHO pretty much everyone in the American government is evil, politicians are all about power, and that leads to corruption ..
if i could vote id vote for the American government entirely disbanded and recreated, the constitution is old, and little of it apples to laws these days... all it does is give people a small excuse, it doesn't stop polices or the government from breaking it as they so often do the government of America these days is no longer by the people for the people, its by the politicians, for the power ... most of all, a capitalistic government is just asking for trouble, it creates a place where the government and people in it are only after to make money, by exploitation, taxing, any any other word were they create laws only to get money, police only enforce the laws if they can get money from enforcing it .. that leads to stupid laws being made just to trap people and suck money from them, ..... its really rather sad to see how America from these days, is almost the opposite of what the people that first stared it wanted .. the original states broke off because of unfair taxes, just to be taxed to hell again, the peoples to first come up with the government feared political parties because they saw what it did to england .. look at these days, nothing but political parties, remember a quote i hear in school by someone who helped wrote the constitution as he told someone who asked him what kind of political system they got he said something along the lines of "a democratic one, if you can hold onto it" ....personally i feel with all the power hungry people in office, America has diffidently lost the democratic government, and probably never will see it again |
The great cycle:
Politicians want power. Power breeds corruption. Corruption breeds criminals. Criminals join politics. Politics produces politicians. The cycle is a vicious one, eh? Simply put, this is the state of politics in 99% of the world, including my own country. |
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http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/19994/ and of course the reason bush allows more pollution is because he serves the corporations, not the interests of the citizens. the interests of citizens almost always conflict with the corporate drive to profit, and bush was put in office by the corporate right to serve those interests, not anyone else's. also, it is important to note that the president appoints members to the supreme court. there is a wide divergence when it comes to who bush and Kerry would appoint. no difference? that's like saying there's no difference between windows and linux, they're both operating systems. the reality is that there is a huge difference. with bush we get a more damaged world in just about every way. |
my history teacher said something that pissed me off
it was along the lines of "it dosent matter if bush is a bad president and he fucked up the war in iraq and hte economy and hte environment, what matters is that we need to support him because he puts people in teh supreme court" WTF? how does having a bunch of fat neocons in cowboy hats in the supreme court make up for all his shittiness as president? |
You people are a bunch of nutcases, this thread should be closed.
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It's sad that people who usually are helping each other out trying to understand man sed (:scratch: ) etc are arguing so vehemently on a Linux forum about the US presidential race, but understandable given the current state of the world.
IMHO these kind of discussions belong somewhere like fark.com (not meant as flame-bait) I'd vote to keep LQ topics non-political, non-religious. I'm sure no-one will ever change political or religious affiliation because of what they read here, only possibly OS affiliation. JMH(umble)O mark |
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Italy chaos and many many many changes, occasionally they punch each other up. That's the ones i've seen :p PS: but on the bright side: they teach Evolution at school, see porn, have nearly no guns and ride when they want with a bicycle to school. ;) |
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Are you saying Kerry is going to come into town and shut it down? Or is he going to do the same thing Bush will? I've heard plenty of comments from Kerry about how Bush is a big business, anti-environment, baby hater but I haven't heard a single idea from Kerry to solve it. I read an article in Field and Stream magazine where they interviewed both canidates. I was simply amazed. Kerry has the opportunity to let the outdoor community know what he thinks and gain a foothold as an outdoorsman and he spends half the article talking about Bush. Some articles on Kerry and hunting... http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...8/121032.shtml Picture of him Pheasant hunting: http://www.firefightersforkerry.com/...ery3_page1.php And some great comments on it.. http://www.enterstageright.com/archi...erryhunter.txt |
I'm not old enough to vote, nor do i live in the U.S but i would vote for bush. He has started this "war on terror" and no he should finish it.
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Ahh the peasant: Still believing in the masters ...
Lets quote Billy Connolly: The desire to be a politician should automatically ban you from being one. :rolleyes: |
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why do people want the discussion shut down? are they against democracy and the free exchange of ideas? :confused: it's not like anyone is *forcing* anyone to read this forum. just don't read it if you're not interested.
anyway, BlinkerFluid i lost my response to you in a preview. it was probably too long anyway, but the bottom line is that bush has been a total disaster for the environment. it's only natural Kerry would talk about that as part of his efforts to improve things. most people are totally clueless about how bad big corporate industry is polluting -- they have some idea that things are bad, but far from the whole story -- so it's important to educate them. half the time bush/cheney talk about Kerry, too. i don't see how that really matters. but what can be compared is the record. bush has the worst environmental record of any president at any time in modern history -- probably the worst record of ANY politician. Kerry has the best. bush's policies HURT you, they don't help you. would you like MORE mercury in your food and water, or would you like LESS? unless they're completely ignorant, 99.9% of people would say less. it's really that simple. it's interesting from the links you provide how the right tries to discredit Kerry by some more or less irrelevant arguments about how he prefers to hunt, or that he "doesn't do it right." i guess that doesn't make him fit to be president, because he uses a certain kind of shotgun? if he didn't hunt at all, they would slam him for being anti-gun. it's too predictable by far. the point is, they don't give a d@mn what kind of gun he uses, but they want YOU to care so you will base your decision on that instead of things that really matter, like the mercury pollution. they use the "gays guns and god" issues to distract people from the policies they carry out that HURT those same people. it's the only way to get people to vote for them. try to understand that they WANT to dump mercury in your air and water because it increases their profits not to have to act responsibly. they want to increase health care costs, they want to cut your wages, they want to cut overtime, they want tax breaks at your expense, they want illegal immigration, and a ton of other things that are BAD for you and that you DON'T want. the people who put bush in power want things that are BAD for you. but if they came right out and said they are going to dump more pollution in your food and water, you wouldn't vote for them. so you need to be distracted. that's what the other issues are about, like just last week when the republicans put fliers on car windshields of people in church saying that if Kerry gets in, he is going to ban the bible. it's amazing what they come up with to divert people from what they're really about. do you really think they give a d@mn about the bible?? of course not. but they know that you do ("you" generically), and they know they can use that to mobilize you to vote for something that will hurt you. that's how they do it. in fact, republican opposition to a democratic candidate (or anyone, for that matter) has nothing to do with "gay marriage" or "the bible" or "prayer in schools," or any of the other non-budget items, but is usually directly proportional to the degree to which that candidate is strong on the environment. look at how they savaged Al Gore. of course they tell you it is about the other things -- gays guns and god -- but in fact "behind the scenes" of what they tell you, for them it's usually about the environment. that's because the republicans make a HUGE amount of profit polluting -- just an obscene amount -- and they want to block anyone who would make that harder for them to do. aside from getting themselves more tax breaks (which also hurt you), the ability to pollute is probably their number one issue. again, the bottom line is that bush wasn't put in power by people who want to BENEFIT you. they put him there to benefit THEM. that almost always means you will be hurt. but if you think what shotgun Kerry uses is more important than how much mercury bush allowed to be poured into the environment this year, go ahead and vote for bush. i'd say you're only hurting yourself, but unfortunately that isn't the case. here's Kerry in his own words on his environmental stance: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2...griscom-kerry/ and of course there's always his website, johnkerry.com. gl |
I'm going to vote for Curious George cause I feel a monkey could do a better job than any of the candidates now, in the past and in the future.
PS. When I turn 35, I'm going to run against that monkey in office if he wins, hopefully my vote counts this time around or at least by the next election in time for me to run. :p |
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