Would you vote " None of the Above " if it was available this November??
 

If this "option " was available on the ballot this November; would the voters in the United States choose to re do the election with different candidates??

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/09/...ballot-option/

Yes, but since that is not an option I just choose to forgo the entire thing and stay home.

No, because I am quite happy to vote for Gary Johnson.

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Steve Stites

That is a great idea. NOTA!

It worked for Brewster.

Obviously, such a move would be a "throw-away vote."

Nope, I'll show up, and I'll vote for one of the four, and it won't be either one of the two who have spent billions of obnoxious dollars being completely obnoxious on public TV.

My Daddy taught me that voting is not a right; it's a duty.

Two thoughts:

1. Not voting is a vote, perversely, mayhap, but still a vote to abdicate your responsibility to care about your neighbors, your community, and your polity.

An election at whatever level of government is not about you.

2. Vote in the real world, because that's the world where we live--not in a fantasy world where perfection is likely or even attainable.

If you choose to vote for someone who doesn't have a chance of winning, you are choosing option #1, but just dressing it up in Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes to make it seem more presentable.

Just my two cents.

this year the options are
way far right
or
crazy far right

why bother at all

Many places have an option to only vote for line by line.

Short answer is "Yes".

I already do abstain, because you can always vote, and also abstain from voting for certain offices if you like none of the candidates.

Hi...

For myself personally, yes. :(

Regards...

As a child I was repeatedly told that too many people had died in the past getting me the right to vote for me not to ever not vote!! Everyone has the right to vote or not vote and to pick anyone that they choose to vote for!! Like a lot of my fellow citizens I have " issues " with our government and the way that it is being manipulated!! Human history is full of " uprisings " against the " established order " that do not always result in things getting better!! I can not help but feeling ill at ease for my country and for all of humanity in the very near future!!

I can assure you as someone who has served that I did not do so in order to provide the right to vote for citizens and anyone who salts it all down to that one trivial thing is merely seeking argument for argument's sake, or instead making it sound as you have, which is that millions of service persons are rolling in their graves because some hippie won't vote. I had my reasons then and they were more due to being young; however my feelings more now are different in understanding that "There's bad people out there and bad things happen. Right or wrong, somebody's got to be deal with it"

Thank you for your service.

Period. Full stop. End of sentence.

Thank you. You served. You survived.

Today, I have both "undying respect" for the people who, one way or the other, actually were willing (although, certainly, not excited ...) to die for ... me ... us ... U.S. ... (and, let me be quick to add on this very-international forum, "likewise your nation.") ...

... and "undying fury" at the people and the corporations who today represent what 5-Star General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his address to the nation upon leaving the White House, referred to as "the Military-Industrial Complex." (And, yes, your nation has plenty of such vermin, too.)

People who would put "people like you" in harm's way ... for more than fifteen years and counting ... for nothing more than opium, lithium mines, and a still-unfinished petroleum pipeline to the Caspian Sea.

Your life, and the life of every soldier, is precious to me. But, it is not precious to them.

Here are examples that help explain why I will vote and I will vote against the US Gub'mint Gone Wild!

white house coordinated on clinton email issues

This is why the FBI and the Justice Dept say it would be some kind of double standard to prosecute Cankles Clinton. The only remedy is the vote!

obama (Frank Marshall Davis, Jr.) emailed Clinton on that "unknown" private server

And there is that thing about using the IRS against those who don't agree with our Gub'mint masters, and once again they are protected from being held held accountable by the US Dept. of Justiced. The only remedy is the vote!

The more Democrats, Republicans, the Media are against Trump, the more convinced I am that voting for Trump is the right thing to do.

Rage Against the Machine!!!!

Absolutely not. In every presidential election since I've been old enough to vote, for each candidate, there were pros and cons to weigh. There's no such thing as the perfect candidate, just as there's no such thing as a perfect person. I vote for the candidate that seems to me to be the best available choice for the country.

I always vote for myself.

They both suck
 

From http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5616127

Clinton 'charity' shenanigans.....
 

Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/118
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2301

Why is it when I hear Shillery speak, the ringing in my ears get worse and when I hear Drumpf I just feel like I'm gonna puke?

Russia and Trump have both told the exact same lie about what's in the Podesta leaks.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-put...sputnik-508635

So, in general: reading them for yourself is fine; beware of spin if you're reading about them.

Hi edmonstone.

When you write Gub'mint who are you mimicking?

OK

Some more cartoons:

I can see the ballot in November

A) Hillary Crooked Clinton

B) Donald the Troll Trump

C) Who Else is Running...Please???

It is ironic that there is so much focus on Drumpf's sexual misdeeds, but nobody is also talking about how Shillery pretty much protected a sexual predator in her own right. Then again this is politics, the more you can make your opponent look more dirty it doesn't matter :rolleyes:

No-one's talking about it because no-one who was around when due processes against Bill Clinton were initiated, investigated, litigated, prosecuted, and concluded (significant: concluded) will ever want to hear about them again. Steve Bannon said, specifically, that his strategy in bringing them up was aimed at people who missed them on TV the first time.

Gary Johnson and Jill Stein

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Steve Stites

While I made it clear that I do not intend to vote and don't like either of the two - I do have one question - if those women were assaulted by Drumpf, why wait all this time? And how many if any civil suits were there?

I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a low vote count election year. People may rather stay home and not vote at all. I am not voting as well.

I am not a woman; but I did grow up with two younger sisters and a lot of female cousins, I also have a lot of female friends!! These facts do not make me an expert in these matters but I have been told by many females that being groped, molested, or raped is a terrible thing to have to endure!! If a woman tells a male family member she is putting him at risk: if a woman tells the police she will suffer more humiliation in the press and also in the courts!!

Males will continue to abuse women until one of his victims goes public; that does not mean that justice will be served!! I forget the police officers name but he continually raped women until he raped a grandmother who went to the police and the courts. Then many other women came forward to report his raping them!! Look at how long Bill Cosby got away with it before he was exposed!! Look at all of the children that have been molested and no one believed their tales!!

I am not questioning the severity of it - sexual assault is horrible, but I do find it convenient that these women NOW bring this up. Did they even report it to someone back then, or authorities / civil actions?

Today's cartoons:

Most rapes are never reported to the police for a wide variety of reasons!! The rapist may be a girl or woman's relative; the rapist may be a police office; the rapist may be a woman's boss; the rapist may be a woman's commanding officer; etc., etc., etc.!! Sexual " encounters " are a he said she said nightmare if there are not any witnesses!! If a woman is badly beaten up before the rape occurs she is usually believed; however if she shows no marks or bruises she might be " Playing Games " because of some slight!! Just because a girl or woman did not immediately report a rape does not mean that it never happened!! Two URL's below of police rapes:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/okl...pe-sentencing/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...eat-of-arrest/

I met a woman on an internet forum many many years ago who blew up at me because I wished her a happy mother's day!! A while later she confided in me that she hated her mother because her mother refused to do anything about her father constantly raping her when she was a child!!

Fair enough, but it still boggles the mind that these women openly support Shillery who in her own right shielded a sexual predator.

I don't presume to know what goes into a victim's mind, but at the same time if they wait that long most chances they would others would not even report it and just keep it a secret

Did she?

The fact that Hillary's personal role is so vaguely defined even when presented directly by Donald Trump himself, is probably a factor. I do know that Roger Stone has a partisan book purporting to present allegations about her role, which I'm obviously not going to read. I also know that she wasn't personally named much (if at all) when Kenneth Starr investigated, litigated and prosecuted this into the ground. At the time, I think everyone just assumed she was furious at him.

If the revisionist "Hillary protected/enabled him" angle didn't start with the Trump campaign back in May (when they started saying it), then they're they're the most mainstream source to ever run with it. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, but when it's both a brand new angle and not presented with details in or from mainstream sources, well, it's not very convincing.

Kenneth Starr, btw, is 100 percent behind the Clintons today. Both of them.

(Note: don't miss the point and respond with a Russia Today or alt-right "reference"; your question was why the mainstream doesn't care).

In my humble opinion neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton deserve to be the President of the United States!! I suspect that a lot of voters are going to vote for " anybody but them " in November!!
The " Die Hards " who will vote for Ms Clinton and Mr. Trump will vote for them no matter what is disclosed about them!! After the election these " Die Hards " will be at each others throats and life within these United States will never be the same again!!

Some more cartoons:

There is another way to vote - and be heard
 

[QUOTE=cousinlucky;5614332]If this "option " was available on the ballot this November; would the voters in the United States choose to re do the election with differen


Election signs that say: NEITHER.......millions of them. We gotta think out of the box!

There are, already, Four qualified names on the ballot!

Two of these candidates have unlimited ¢a$h to spend in an attempt to persuade you that the victory of one-or-the-other is "an inevitable conclusion," and you of course "will never hear otherwise" from a propaganda ministry media that is receiving tens of millions of dollars a day to "$peak the ¢ompany me$$age."

Nevertheless, the fact remains: there are four names on the ballot, and you (along with many millions of others) are free to vote for any of them.

I can't think of a better statement for the people of the country to make, than if both of these blow-hards "lost, resoundingly." :hattip:

How does someone with no position or official status (Hillary) shield the President of the United States? There's nothing she could have done to 'shield' him.

Having spent years working in the criminal justice system in this country, 5 of which were dealing exclusively with pedophiles and their victims, I would say embarassment or shame (why me) and fear and in many case physical and/or psychological pain. I don't know that it is possible even for psychiatrists who spend years working with victims to fully understand how victims feel. The Victims rarely want to talk about what happened. The vast majority of cases of sexual abuse/assault in this country are never reported whether the victim is an adult or a child. It's particularly difficult when the alleged perpetrator is a powerful person and the alleged victim is not. Given Trump's personality as a dominating person who has a sense of entitlement because he is rich and has taken advantage of practically everyone he dealt with including those he did business with and his employees, I would tend to believe the victims. The most likely reason for talking about it now is that they felt they would get some support and the most courageous person is the first woman to talk about it.

I voted already and it wasn't for either of the above.

As soon as the election is over and the media manipulators have been paid their final invoices, all of this rhetoric will stop . . .

. . . and, for the next eight years, "not one damned thing will happen," other than a perpetuation of the [downward] path that has been carved-out before. These women will disappear into the gloom once reserved for Monica Lewensky.

If you want "the same old same old thing," then you have two choices, and the single corporation that brought you these two easy-to-digest brands, really don't care which brand you pick. As you see, they will do anything and say anything, meaning absolutely none of it, merely to polarize the country against itself, merely to gain maintain control. If you are "Blue," then just stay asleep and blame it all on "Red," and if you are "Red," vice-versa. "Easy, peasy." (Or, better yet, just throw up your hands and don't "bother" to vote at all . . .)

Yes, yes, yes ... it's all out of your hands ... you might not like it but there's really nothing you can do about it ... this is the way it must be ... you are getting sleepy ... very sleepy ... ...

Just remember, though: these people, who are cunning masters of crowd psychology, basically gained and kept control because the majority of the (non-)voting populace wasn't paying attention. "When the cat's away, the mice will play," and a group of about 750 people have for that reason alone been playing roughshod with the lives of over 300 million. And they will continue to do it until those people realize the peaceful(!) powers that they have always had(!), and finally begin to exercise those powers.

The real message of the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" is that people will drive themselves ever downward, freely and by their own hand, until they are confronted by a much smarter animal: a pig.

If "None of the above" were a ballot option, probably that option would win the election. Then what? No government?

Hmmm. . . not a bad idea!

I don't know about absolutely NO government, don't really want to live in chaos - there is already enough of that right now per world events. I just want a government that isn't bought by corporations - lobbying is illegal, and is honest and actually looks out for it's citizens.... Probably too much to ask for though.

I would think that lobbying would be a fundamental right in a democracy.

When lobbying involves money - how is it a democracy , and how is not not just a euphemism for legalised bribery?