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I was just wondering whether a "why do people prefer buying ready to use cars to ones that need to be assembled" type of question really needs so many answers (mostly similar answers).... .....BUT THEN I noticed that it's a General section of LQ and realised that my comment might have been out of place. |
if you are a $50 an hour lawyer and PC engineer charges $20 per hour it makes economic sense to call the expert. As mentioned before - division of labour is at the centre of industrail revolution ;)
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There are topics that keep being brought up, in LQ suggestions and feedback one has come up again, and in these topics someone always says something like it has been discussed before why do we have to do it again. If people don't want to discuss it they don't have to, that's the point of my post. |
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(1) There's a lot more things to do now than there was in the 60's. Whether those things are worthwhile is decided on a individual basis, something that's worthwhile to one person may not be worthwhile to another. (2) 'Things' in todays society are becoming exponentially more complex as technology progresses at an exponential rate, to the point where you need an expert/special equipment to accomplish tasks that you could have easily learned from reading a manual and a fiddling around before. Take cars for example. 8-9 years ago I worked on a ginseng farm with a bunch of guys who liked to partake in demolition derbys. They were complaining then that it was become increasingly more difficult to find cars for derby because lots of functions that used to be mostly mechanical and electrical have been taken over by microcontrollers. This meant that they had to figure out which systems to disable/modified in such a way as to keep the car functional operation but disengage the necessary safety protocols so that they could make the car derby compliant. That kind of complexity is happening everywhere and people simply don't want to deal with it. (3) People view computers as household appliances (as I said in my first post). While I agree with you that people worked on their cars a lot more in the 60's than they do today, how many people do you think worked on their own stove/oven, refrigerator, or washing machines/dryers in the 60's? What I do believe happened then (and I could be completely wrong since I wasn't alive then) is that people were more inclined to call the repair guy back then than they are now. I think we're all well aware that companies have been used 'planned obsolescence' increasingly more to our (the consumers) detriment, and people are increasingly in the mindset of "If it doesn't work, time to get a new one (unless it's still under warranty)". This, in combination of the "I don't want to deal with this new-fangled technology" people, are only leaving the subset of people that are true tinkerers in any particular field. |
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I am not very proficient with Linux-based systems yet, and until I get to a point where I trust myself not to break something by noodling around with config files, I prefer everything to work 'out-of-the-box'. That is why, right now, I use Xubuntu and CrunchBang as opposed to pure Debian. :) |
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Yeah, yeah ... off-topic, I know ... Here, I'll fix that ... The same can be said of fixing a software problem with a commercial operating system as opposed to open source, but the issue is reversed. Experienced computer consumers have been led to believe that the conventions of popular commercial operating systems are generally applicable to all situations, a condition which has obfuscated the actual underlying functionality of the system. It's like taking a green-behind-the-gills mechanic back in time to 1960 and asking him to diagnose an issue with a car. "Where do you plug in the diagnostics terminal?," he might ask. Of course, that diagnostics terminal was only implemented in the later designs to save time for high-volume shops and to present an obstacle for hobbyists who likely wouldn't own such a device. An "open" design might have an indicator light or some other such stand-in, but probably not even that; it would most likely be simple and elegant instead and require neither, since proprietary concerns wouldn't enter into the design considerations. So, really, an end-user using Linux will "distro-hop" to "solve" problems, because that is all that they know how to do. The root problem here is end-users using Linux at all. It's not meant for them, or, really, it shouldn't be. It's like if non-mechanics like myself were all trying to build their own cars from parts ... It might be achievable if kit makers got "idiot-proof" enough, but what would be the point? We'd all be better off buying commercially available cars and leaving the kits to the true hobbyists. (The kits could stay a lot cooler, too ... eg Gentoo or Slackware.) The fact that end-users are trying to use Linux is, to me, a symptom of a deeper problem, and that is ridiculous market conditions which have given Microsoft a de-facto PC operating system monopoly for 25+ years. They don't like the only commercial car available, so they order kits. We just need nerds from LQ to go out and start the GM and Chrysler to compete with Microsoft's Ford rather than spending so much time helping soccer moms put together do-it-yourself kits. And now, another drink. ;) |
I wasn't alive in the 60's so I wouldn't know, but maybe if I was I would also be tinkering with cars as well as computers.
It really concerns me how computing gets dumbed down: http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/bill...ch-interfaces/ They want you to interface with your computer a very simplistic, almost kindergarten-like level. I mean when I was younger I saw similar things being marketed as computers for kids ... not for me of course, even tho I was a kid. They also want you to only do one job and not try for more than that. If you do try to branch out, you'll be criticized, bad-mouthed and hated by all who's toes you step on. It's the attitude that if you can do what they can do, and this is the only thing they can do ... then obviously their job/position is useless. I've seen it often. The down side of such a system is that nobody would understand the bigger picture. I've heard people outside the computing field say that there is some type of god inside the computer making it run, maybe even God. I've heard physics professors say that computers defy the laws of physics because coping data is a process of creation. This is the kind of thinking that this kind of specialization promotes. I suppose the great majority are completely content with their ignorance, as can been seen in some posts in this thread, but it is worrying to me. I won't even mention the lack of professionalism of people in most jobs, I don't see how they can live with themselves like this. It's true I have a hard time understanding people and the world of people ... I don't know if it can be understand, maybe it is mad and thus cannot be understood. I'm getting off topic. EDIT: I am thinking about starting to tinker with cars, but as most are computerized now, I'll probably have to invest in some special software or computer. I don't like changing the oil for sure, I'll leave the dirty jobs to the mechanics. Maybe one day we won't need oil to lubricate anymore, maybe like the magnetic fans they have now, some type of magnetic levitation. I've thought of it but I'm not sure it is practical ATM. |
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Simple economics. It's not economically efficient to have everyone be a polymath, RMS, Dennis Ritchie who writes their own programming language, operating system, userland toolset, license scheme and then uses it to get their work done. There's plenty of layers under that too: hardware, sourcing the materials for the hardware, researching the processes for *everything*, etc. Go read "I, Pencil" for some breathtaking perspective, then apply it to your computer. By the elimination, or minimization of having to worry about all of those processes, we can worry about the things we actually want to do: browse the internet, use ssh or lynx, or write more software for others to use, or store data for dental appointments, or whatever. Thankfully, there's plenty of Linux to go around for the minimalist and the maximality and the special needs, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down. :) |
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In 1986 when I was doing my apprenticeship we drained the oil out of a Holden Commodore and Wynns drove it from Darwin to Alice Springs without oil. Before they did this each time we serviced it we put in an additive from Wynns that had PFTE in it. After we drained the oil for the final time we changed the Camshaft and Lifters (originals were hydraulic new one was solid) that had previously been treated with the additive. The car performed without any problems apparently. |
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Probably the biggest achievement lately has been Android, or iPhone. There's a Linux/Unix in there, and almost nobody knows it. Certainly millions of people don't care as they jabber away. No one has to. And, that's the key point. A computer is a tool, and a complicated one at that. We're used to it only because that's the crazy thing that we do, but that's not what people want. Programmers should always be striving to work themselves out of a job. |
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I think it is more of a personal preference. As mentioned above people like buying cars that are assmebled and ready to go. Some people would rather buy a DvD player, TV, Bicycle, Calculator, Guitar... that was all together and worked out of the box without having to put it together. Depends on the person, what they know, what they want, what they feel like doing. |
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The rest of your post is very eye-opening. That's come as a shock to me as I've only been using Linux for a short while and I seem to be seduced by the architecture or engineering aspects of it enough to kind of forget about or feel at odds with user facing interface. It gives me a lot to think about, and I like that. |
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