Venting
 

Quote from: dedndave on November 30, 2014, 11:26:05 PM

frankly, i get a little tired of hearing how the american natives were conquered
you all act like it's the first time in history land was taken by force

they had bows and arrows - we had guns - game over

to be honest, they get a much better deal from us than any other conquered peoples
they get a LOT of very valuable land - breaks on several laws - and a monthly check for sitting on their ass


Good perspective, Mr. Dave. :-)

I too get tired of the "Let's pick on America" crap.

It's somewhat funny that most of the whiners live in countries who would be speaking German, Japanese,etc if the Americans had not come to their aid in WW2.

When a country is being victimized, who is first on the list to help ?

But they will not bring that up.

When America is hit by storms, etc, which other countries have sent help ?

The list is very short.

Outta here,

:rolleye:

Thank you for establishing how I should evaluate your contributions in the future.

If the "whiners in countries that would be speaking German if we didn't help them out" was an oh-so-original dig at the French, btw, then let me remind you that they backed your revolution, and that without their help you would not even have a country today.

One can be a good person today while recognizing the sins of one's forebears.

Really, one can (and you have no idea what my forebears did, but some of them did hideous things and, if there is a hell, they burn in it).

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...art169431.html

I will stop now, before I say something I shall regret.

Are you really sure you want to do this? I mean really!

I had a huge reply typed up but because you've gone you wont see it, suffice to say the US isn't the great world citizen some of you like to think it is.

They probably backed it thinking they could take it over again after the British had their collectives butts kicked out.

I must truly be a nerd because I just can't understand any nationalism at all, pro or con. It always reminds me of

"Oh yeah? Well my Dad can beat up your Dad" and "Ford R0X, Chevy sux".... infantile, and an utter waste of time.

You are right.

You are wise in listening more and speaking less.

I can understand it to a certain extent but I think that any nation, or person of any nation, who is unwilling to take criticism or inflates the nations importance regardless of historical facts is doing themselves, and the rest of the world, an injustice.

We obviously don't disagree as I did say both Pro and Con. I'll go a step further. There is extremely little value in applauding right action but considerable value to all the people of that nation, not to mention a civic duty, to criticize perceived wrong action. One cannot fix a problem until one recognizes that one exists.

All individuals commit actions during their short lifetimes of which they are proud, and a few of which they are (or should be) ashamed. How can it possibly be that any group of individuals lasting many lifetimes can be utterly free from shameful actions? That's reality.

It is somewhat normal to "root for your own team" and crowing about one's importance commonly has only one bad side effect - it can be taken with jealousy as antagonism by others but this is purely emotional, only has any validity in a real competition, and should only be truly relevant if one is actually active on the team, not riding the bench or in the stands. Denigrating others is more damaging. Denying one has any shameful past is damaging in the extreme.

One of the best effects of the internet is the erosion of national and cultural borders. Hopefully over time this can reduce conflict, despite some reaction against it.

It often baffles me why people wish to hang on to such differences. I know on your continental island the Official Doctrine of Aborigines is that they sprung from the ground right there in Australia. They wish to continue to believe this despite DNA evidence that proves their ancestors came from Africa just like everyone else. In fact their most recent offshore ancestors were so brave and inquisitive that they crossed some 50-75 miles of ocean (then, when ocean levels were much lower) in dugout canoes and rafts! Yet they disown these ancestors in favor of springing from the ground. 0_0

It all just makes so little sense to me.

Fixit7, while you obviously shouldn't be acting like this at any time, it is especially inappropriate to be doing it just days after announcing that you don't want to be criticized.

You didn't start this thread in response to anything specific on LQ. If it's a response to something you saw on another forum, then engage it there. If you're reacting to what you see as a more general trend and you just want to vent here (and you're not looking for responses), then you have a blog for personal thoughts like this.

before one gos off on the past behavior of others

think about this

do to "fracking"( and other things) we will run out of fresh water BEFORE "gas"

we are ALREADY 200% over the sustainable population level

so

ask your self

WHAT you will do to remove 1/2 of the worlds population

and just HOW BAD will "people" get when there is NO FOOD or drinking water

if you look to the past
that will be nice in comparison to what weapons are available NOW

I basically agree with everything you said until this

The official line is there is no official line. DNA studies don't indicate anything. What you seem to be referring to is the "Dreaming" which is Aboriginal legend. There are Dreaming stories that most certainly indicate coming from other lands to Australia. Just like Indigenous North Americans have their legends and continue to use them so do Indigenous Australians. It is not up to the government, and I don't personally know of it anyway, to have an official line to where the Aboriginal peoples come from and how long they have been here.

@ k3lto1 - It seems I am guilty as charged of ignorance and generalization. Thanks for setting me right.

as one posters sig on a another forums says:

"You cannot undo the past but you can learn from it"

I doubt you are ignorant but at times we all generalise. You haven't done anything that deserves a rap over the knuckles.