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easuter 11-27-2006 03:45 AM

Well, I will continue to use openoffice. why? despite its shortcomings (that aren't that many either), its FREE (both senses of the word).
And if its too heavy for older machines (and no, its not heavyer than office 2007!), then there are lightheight alternatives, like Abiword and Gnumeric.

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Again, you will know if you are advance user. If don't know meaning you not yet advance or not a heavy user. tell me any office application able to change a chart type, color, and etc in 1 sec? Tell me if you want to convert a point form presentation into beautiful diagram/flowchart in 2 sec?
I see. how many common users, both at home and in businesess will be able to fully use those features without training?
What benifit is it too them? Not everyone is a "power" user as you say you are.

kstan 11-27-2006 04:03 AM

honest I am not advanced/heavy user at all, but inside enterprise environment I met this kind of users(They are much stronger than me) everyday.

Please accept, in critical environment so many job waiting you to complete and you have openoffice and Ms office let you choose, finally you will choose Ms Office to complete your task rather than failed the job.

Frankly speeking using ms office 2007, it allow very primitif user create an attractive documents with few click. And it is too simple if compare to previous version and openoffice. Again, not necessary users need training because it is not difficult at all.

Unfortunately at this momment I have not enough time to help openoffice project, so the only way I can do is keep waiting and report bug(I quite concern in openoffice and samba4 project status).

Regards,
Ks

sonicbhoc 11-27-2006 08:02 AM

Nice sig, Chinaman.

You are totally right... But, nothing lasts forever... Microsoft will die eventually, but the question is, when? In a year? in a hundred years? in a thousand years? tomorrow?

Nothing is certain in this life, aside from disappointment, monopolies included.

easuter 11-27-2006 09:16 AM

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Please accept, in critical environment so many job waiting you to complete and you have openoffice and Ms office let you choose, finally you will choose Ms Office to complete your task rather than failed the job.
I refuse to accept MS products in critical environments. I like their keyboards and mice, but thats besides the point.
The fact that openoffice is gaining popularity so fast, is for a reason.
And don't think its only MSoffice thats for critical/business situations. take this as an example:

http://www.openoffice.org.br/?q=node/49

its in portuguese, but here is a sumary in english:

http://technocrat.net/d/2006/6/2/4037

Now, if OpenOffice can be adopted by one of the biggest banks of south america, then its not as shoddy as you make it out to be in a corporate environment.

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I don't wan't to post and old video, but i think we all remember, ms-office's new voice recognition software debut.....

sonicbhoc 11-27-2006 10:22 AM

easuter has an excellent point. And yes, office's - and probably windows's - new voice recognition software SUCKS.

JGMX 11-27-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by easuter
Well, I will continue to use openoffice. why? despite its shortcomings (that aren't that many either), its FREE (both senses of the word).
And if its too heavy for older machines (and no, its not heavyer than office 2007!), then there are lightheight alternatives, like Abiword and Gnumeric.


Easuter you are correct :) :) . Kstan i guess i underestimated office 2007....not!! Sure openoffice isn't perfect but its FREE!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Why pay for MS Office 2007 because it has a few new features and can shave a minute of work off of a presentation. Sorry but....$150 for an entry level office 2007 program (yes the price is correct, i just googled it) just isn't worth it for me, as well as the majority of people i know who don't already have a subscription license already with Microsoft for office product upgrades.

swannee 11-27-2006 06:02 PM

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That's true as well, but usually any user these days has more experience with Windows than Linux. You'd have to hit them pretty young in order to get them into Linux before Windows. It's just that Windows is everywhere; schools, businesses, even on most computers available for purchase.

IMO age makes no differance, it's juat windows is well lets just refer to it as user friendly "click" the .exe and sit back and watch all done, not the case in linux, I find linux as easy to use as windows once it's set up but setting linux up can be rather hard.

So someone that just wants to send/recive e-mails or do a word doc, or keep a spread sheet,does not want to spend days trying to set up the OS so they can do that

I'm 52yo and I am or have been using mandrake 10.1 for a while now, and have tried other distros as well, but still prefer Mandrake for some unknown reason, and have found my biggest problem is I always have either the wrong kernel ver, and or the wrong x-org ver. for the video card drivers,

I think if you got a linux distro stup with every working the hardware would wear out before you would ever have to do anything to it, and thats a claim windows will never be able to make

And if linux had a better support system for home users, it would be 3 times as popular as it is now!!!!!

slantoflight 11-27-2006 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JGMX
Why pay for MS Office 2007

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Originally Posted by JGMX
because it has a few new features and can shave a minute of work off of a presentation


Don't you just love it when people answer their own questions.

Well, I'm sold. If people can pay so much money for a PS3, I'm sure they can also pay $150 for a program that can actually get something useful accomplished.

sonicbhoc 11-28-2006 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by slantoflight
Well, I'm sold. If people can pay so much money for a PS3, I'm sure they can also pay $150 for a program that can actually get something useful accomplished.

I get all my useful work accomplished in OpenOffice, and hand it out to all my friends, and I get it for free.

Oh, and neither PS3 nor MS Office are worth the amount of money they're sold for, and they both have opposing tools that get the job done better, all things considered: Wii and OpenOffice.

kstan 11-28-2006 01:21 AM

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I get all my useful work accomplished in OpenOffice, and hand it out to all my friends, and I get it for free.
I have same opinion with you because I am IT guy and I willing to learn. But this is totally differ issu for general users because they need to spend more time on solving their problem. I will definitely pay Microsoft if they port it into Linux, but seems like it is imposible(Currently I use cxoffice which not yet stable in office 2003).

For survive, a company must use difference method in IT market. For Ms. Linux and openoffice is kind of killing competitor because of the pricing. But for Linux and Open office, Ms. product is a very good reference. Thats why Microsoft and Linux have IP issue.

For myself, we IT personel must always think for users, let them use more user friendly products so that can increase their productivity.

Regards,
Ks

easuter 11-28-2006 02:46 AM

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Thats why Microsoft and Linux have IP issue.
There is an IP issue bevause Ms suddenly decided to launch a new fud campaign.

Lets see...The "Get the Facts" page has been proved to be rigged and widely known as one-sided MS propoganda; the SCO scam has backfired in Microsoft's face.

So far, NOBODY has come foreward to say what IP Linux os infringing on. I'm actually surprised that MS has even started another IP war, because if Windows is to be examined, there must be dozens of patent violations in there.
And bvalmer doesn't make clear what hes talking about either: Linux (the kernel) or GNU/Linux.

Anyway, I just think MS is feeling the squeeze and are starting to sweat.

kstan 11-28-2006 08:53 AM

frankly speaking i really hate the way microsoft handle the license. Especially there is not Windows XP Pro open license available (except upgrade). This cause me need to handle manual, sticle, boxes ~100 set!!.

JGMX 11-28-2006 10:01 AM

Slantoflight!!! you miss quoted me!! If you read the whole sentence i said whats the point of paying $150 for only a few new features and only save 1 min from a different office program. Next time quote me with the context of what i said. And by the way a PS3 isn't worth the price either...put the same amount of money in a average pc and it will be better than a PS3.

slantoflight 11-28-2006 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JGMX
And by the way a PS3 isn't worth the price either...put the same amount of money in a average pc and it will be better than a PS3.

Not for games really.
Put $600 into a pc and you're lucky if you can get a 2 core processor with mid range graphics that becomes outdated in the next 6 months.

Add in the additional costs of the usual features people expect from a pc, you cut down your gaming potential even more.

DVD burner
Wireless Card
Motherboard
PSU
RAM

That short list of potentially sub $100 components can easily add up to $300. Leaving you with just around $300 to spend on gigahertz.

Put $600 into a PS3 and you get a 7 core beast thats good for atleast another 3 years. And to add insult to injury you can even install linux to it. Giving it full functionality.

With $600 you would be hardpressed to build a gaming rig that outperforms the PS3.

kstan 11-28-2006 08:33 PM

I have see the PS3, seems like it still far away from general PC. Currently PS3 direct rendering in linux working well? Wine + war3 ok?
What I know is it come with 20G hdd (small) and all required accessories like keyboard and mouse don't ship together.

Whether it worth or not I think depends on the game itself. After 1~2 years I believe it worth, because cost of technology drop and the quantity of game increase. But I believe not now.

Regards,
Ks


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