Microsoft takes millions from Navy each year just to keep Windows XP running.
 

Microsoft takes millions from Navy each year just to keep Windows XP running. They take about 9 million each year. Evil Microsoft. The Navy barley has any money as it is, thanks to Obama, that evil monkey. The Navy does not owe M$ a single cent, those brave men and women risk their lives for our country, and M$ wants to take advantage of them because of an old OS so they can get extra $$$$$! Leave the Navy alone Microsoft!!! Trump is going to end you when he becomes president!


Don't believe me? google it.

Care to send me a can of that beer, too?

Which when you consider the number of legacy / embedded XP systems government and military organisations have works out at a couple of dollars per machine per year which is excellent value compared to the cost of replacing XP. Oh and before you whine on about "linux being freeeeeeee" it's not "free". For any large scale migration there's extensive costs in terms of person hours in both the physical installation and re-training. In addition you'll find that the reason systems are still on XP is that there may be legacy or in-house software that can't run on any other OS platform and would cost considerably more to redevelop.

Get your head out the sand and get in touch with the realities of large scale IT.

Oh wait, you're a Trumpite, you've no idea what reality is.

I'm already hoping you'll change your username to 'fromlin2win'.

Whenever I see posts like the OP's, the first thing that springs to my mind is that the only explanation could be that they have been planted by someone else as a false flag operation. I mean, no-one can really be that naive and hyper-opinionated, can they?

Hey, what's this thing do?

A company MAKES MONEY from the government?!!?!

You don't say!

And....

A company has a support contract with a client?

You don't say!

You do realize that what you're arguing for is communism, right?

XP runs a lot of hospital equipment, too. It is still (koff, koff ...) a damned good system.

Big Banks in this country are paying out the nose also for Extended support for ATMs.

Yup ... just last week I stumbled-upon a crashed ATM that was displaying "OS/2 Presentation Manager." :rolleyes:

But, but... OS/2 DOESN'T CRASH! That's what the marketing said...

:rolleyes: ... yeah ...

Orange is the new Red (Menace)!

It is idiotic childish comments like at the start of this thread that put many possible Linux users off even wanting to become members of the community.

The Government pays for an awful lot of software that runs under Linux, probably more than under Windows.

I always assumed the US military uses bleeding edge technology. Why would they use a dated operating system? Are the nukes running DOS???

Using "bleeing edge technology" means regularly throwing out working tech. No the U.S. military doesn't do that.

I don't know if nukes run DOS. But they do use floppy disks.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ie-4175580727/

I just hope in a real war, our weapons don't freeze because of BSOD. :)

oh orbea, why did u hafta show me this thread? :P
 

navy gives. microsoft receives. but sure. there is a coercive element.give"evil"?
"monkey"?
o_O doesnt need to. yup. XD "risk their lives for our country" u-huh. like bill hick's said, "no one is a threat to us". that was the funniest bit of this, that prompted me to reply. for our country. XD oh for it to be in reality as in that naive idealism. yep. that's what they do. yeah, uhh... how much value can your navy have at protecting your country if the corporation can have that much power over them? ... is the coersion really that absolute that they've been so completely owned by microsoft? i doubt it. i'm sure with a 9million investment, they could get everything moved on to something more sane, like libertybsd. that would make a lot more sense for such an organisation. though... once on microsoft's operating system... maybe the coersion really is that strong (is it?)... with that kind of uncheckable backdoor... scary. waaa! microsoft own the navy! lol ok, i take back my previous statement about what was the funniest thing in this thread to me. XD this is now the funniest.yeah... i suggest keep at that. google a little deeper. XD better yet, get a websearch or version of google (like startpage, or scroogle(aw, it died)) that wont just end up in an echo chamber of your own confirmation bias. ;)

P.S.
first, take the test to see where your two axis political position is
https://politicalcompass.org/test
then, see where the candidate representatives' positions are.
https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
better to vote as close as possible.

if that quiz was too long for you, here's one in just 10 yes/maybe/no questions! :)
https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php/

:.S frighteningly, they can.
and there's no wisdom test before voting.he does not realise. and isnt.

you do realise what communism is right? ~ dont answer, that's rhetorical.
dugan, try taking that political compass test or shortest political quiz. it may empower you with a broader perspective. it's easy to be duped thinking all politics fit on a one dimensional line. second dimension can lift one's perception to see the run-around they've been getting, gaining one personal freedom, while losing two economic freedoms, n gaining one economic freedom while losing two personal freedoms. ... them authoritarians of all ilks like to play that game. cant trust em.

:3


well. that was fun. ^_^

Of course I do. It's government ownership of, and control over, all businesses. A necessary precondition for the MICROSOFT (business) MUST BE COMPELLED (by the government) TO WORK FOR THE NAVY (government) FOR FREE BECAUSE THEY OWE THEM (typical communist guilt-trip) demand to take effect.

What the hell did you think communism was before I explained it to you?

Not to mention:

"barley"?
o_O

I bet that was a Freudian slip. ;)

I think the soldiers currently stationed in Afghanistan might disagree with you. They may not be be defending our shores against an invasion but their lives are very much at risk just the same.

Regards...

so... in your mind, communism and fascism [edit - oops, i should say "totalitarianism" there, not "fascism", right? ~ i'm oft making that slip up. understandable, but unhelpful.] are synonymous? because the criteria you've set out is common to both.

I the hell thought communism is a political philosophy created by marx, corrupted by lenin, leading to stalin. to characterise it as in theadvocates model, it started with 100% personal freedom and 0% economic freedom, then drifted forth losing more and more personal freedom through the successive corruptions of the original idealistic concept, through improper (and naive) implementation. communism in that pure (idealised marxist) form, to my knowledge, has never existed in implementation in reality. only in philosophy. interestingly, likewise, the alternative flipside of 100% economic freedom and 0% personal freedom (oft promoted as "free-market" and "laissez-faire"), slides more authoritarianward, losing even economic freedom in implementation.
and after you explained it to me, i the hell still thought so. XD

so anyway... even if someone were advocating what you seemed to be thinking they were advocating, "communism" needn't have been the only thing to have that characteristics. could have been 0% economic freedom, and 0% personal freedom, "totalitarianism", that they were advocating.

thing is though... with communism, in an idealised sense, as should be with any political ideology/philosophy/system, ... we might do well to ask, "who owns the government", at least as much as we ask what the government owns.

i thought it was supposed to be we the people [ed. ~that owned the government]. but ... a quick look at the lobbying system, shows that's not really the case in current implementation. ... even past accepting what we have isnt really democracy, isnt really people power, isnt really the will of the people transcribed through "representatives". even the "representatives" cannot represent us, even if they were not under far louder pressure from the lobbyists, as they have party whips etc ensuring they adhere to the party line. o_O

when Ghandi was asked what he thought of western democracy, he famously responded:

"I think it would be a good idea."

I agree.

an oligarchy cabal of corporate interests is not in our best interests. ... no matter how effective a democracy-pretence show they put on for us.

p.s.
now i'm not sure specifically what the op was advocating (besides the right wing and extremely authoritarian donald drumpf kicking someone's ass), but communism didnt seem to be it. nor need that have been the only extrapolation from what they wrote, nor the only alternative offered to the status-quo. the line "Leave the Navy alone Microsoft!" didnt suggest to me that the government should own microsoft. it suggested to me, an alternative provider. maybe i'm just too keen to take the original contract as it was, ignoring the additions later from the clause stating microsoft could change the contract any time they want, after the agreement, which, leads to the extended extortio~ support & payment thereafter. ^_^

all of them?

[edit - n it wasnt the lives at risk bit that sent me into a cringe-laugh. it was the "for our country".]

Exactly.

(rest of your trying-to-sound-smart word salad snipped)

They would be wrong then, they aren't risking their lives for their country or the citizens of that country. They are risking their lives for political agendas that only benefit those hiding away in an ivory tower playing at despot. This is an entirely unacceptable and despairing reality and the sooner the masses stop making excuses for this tragedy the sooner these soldiers can come home to their families without destroying someone else home or killing their family members.

The op made no indication about limiting any economic freedom, but rather about changing technology to something that didn't suck so much. Communism had nothing to do with this thread until you erroneously mentioned it.

No, he was calling for Microsoft to be punished for benefiting from their support work instead of doing it for free. Yes that's a limit to economic freedom.

I'm actually rather surprised that both of you read it differently.

BTW, post #20 starts with "oh orbea, why did u hafta show me this thread? :P" but the first orbea post I see is #26. What's going on, you two?

Who doesn't make millions from the navy each year?.edu Morons, no.

erm... but... microsoft have a monopoly on support for microsoft products. seems to be limiting freedom to me. now i suppose that might be a matter of debate as to whether monopolies are an expectant result/goal of total economic freedom. tho i see that as an (evidenced irl) inevitable slippage from the "free market" idealism, towards authoritarianism.

who was it who said "the more free the market, the less free the people"? seems a reasonable aphorism... at least when looking at the predominantly authoritarian right wing political establishment.

if money = power, and free market inherently leads to increasing wealth for some by (as fromwin2lin phrases it) taking from others, then, no chance of the free market heading any other way, towards, if not monopoly, at least a cabal of plutocratic (rule by rich) interests.

and, try as i might, i cant find anyone advocating microsoft be "punished for benefiting from their support work instead of doing it for free", until you just brought that up then. maybe fromwin2lin will come back and clarify, stating that explicitly.

maybe i should have googled it more. maybe then i'd have seen that is what fromwin2lin was saying, as dugan claims.

tho... as i do...
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?...ft&lui=english
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?...nt&lui=english
etc
and skim through... not only am i not getting that impression, i'm also getting an impression that drumpf also doesnt know what he's saying.

please do again explain anything you think i dont understand.

orbea showed me this thread.
*shrug*
maybe it's some nefarious conspiracy! *_*
... not sure how to explain more about what's going on with that, other than that.
... lq's not the only line of communication on the internet. :P sometimes people come across threads because other people share those threads. *shrug*

I reread the op again, its honestly a bit vague and open to interpretation. Could imply either using different technology and/or punishing microsoft as you said. Its a rather silly post either way... I still don't think it would really imply communism, though maybe with more clarification it really does? Seems more to be either an attempt at free software advocacy or more fascist stance of using government power to control corporations that the op finds disagreeable. Though I honestly don't really want to continue with a political discussion so I will mostly if not entirely bow out of that aspect of the discussion now. :)

I showed Siljrath this thread in an irc channel because I found the op amusing.

oh, just saw that addition. i was willing to let that slide when it was just you truncating the rest so that it read like a piece of confirmation bias to reaffirm your ignorance, but now that you've made it a more personal attack, i'll bite. XD

~~~ was gonna take your words n rearrange n edit them in a similar manner, but then thought better of it.

better to stay on topic. tackle the substance, not the speaker.

[edit - so shame on me too for joining in flinging poo with this post]

Ahh, thanks for stirring up the sediment siljrath! and, my favorite:

Speaking of Navies running Windows XP:

The New Yorker - WORLD WAR THREE, BY MISTAKE

That is not shocking at all.
I would feel less secure if they tried to keep up to date with their operating systems and ran an insecure later OS.

It has taken years of bug hunting to relatively clean XP and it is NOT a home environment where they are accessing the net willy nilly. These are tightly controlled environments that are being talked about.
I would like to be that the majority of semi and automatic systems around are running XP. You only have to look at devices with chips in them and you will likely see that they use XP based systems.

Fuc free software we want free nukes, obviously!

There are also thousands of hospitals and pieces of medical equipment which continue to ... quite successfully ... use XP. They have obtained government certifications that are required, using XP, and it would be extremely expensive to switch versions ... especially when it can be shown that the software in-place continues to work just fine.

Even though Microsoft, and IBM, have discontinued selling certain operating systems and versions thereof, they still continue to do so (for a price), and are likely to continue doing so forever.

Darn right! It occupies half of my hard drive. The other half is slackware which I hope to become just as familiar with.

No chance of that. The whole system is being run by a Timex-Sinclair 1000 located in a broom closet in the Pentagon.

I approve of this New Year's resolution!

What I came to post was: the original Windows for Submarines announcement has been found.

Ballistic System of Overall Destruction??
Them freezing sounds a hell of a lot better than the war does!

Just an FYI, IBM stopped supporting OS/2 over 10 year ago. Some updates occurred when it wa bought out by eComStation but that hasn't been updated, even security fixes in many years. FWIW even version 2.1 (IBM quit it after 4.1) I ran on a small business system of roughly 200 workstations for over 2 years w.o one unscheduled reboot. and ZERO crashes.

One of the reasons for the split between IBM and MS was that MS wanted to give some apps direct access to hardware (thus the BSOD was born when MS morphed MS OS/2 into MS Win NT)nd that meant downtime for the sake of the appearance of speed and since OS/2 was truly for Mission Critical applications, that was an untenable compromise.

Hmmmm I was under the impression that XP never got the necessary Govt. Certs for military work. I lived in Virginia Beach when the first BT powered battleship limped back to port when the OpSys completely crashed and went crazy. Some thought it was due to the rush job that MS did to achieve certified security status for NT. Why would a Home system with no real server version and no certs be used by the military?

Why does the government do a lot of the stuff the government does? Remember, if it is being done right it is not being done by the government.

XP Pro is NOT XP Home! There is a HUGE difference.

Since XP Pro 64 was the last MS product I ever seriously used I am well aware of that. However there still was not a real server version nor did it ever get government certified to my knowledge.

CORRECTION - I just discovered that XP Pro w/ Service Pack 2 did finally get 2 govt. certs in 2005. Prior to 2002 NT 4 had only lower level certs but was tested by the US Navy pending certification. It failed. For a time (2002-2005) Win 2K Pro, Server and Advanced Server had fairly solid govt. certs.

The "server" version of Windows XP was called "Windows Server 2003."

And yet, as I was wandering through backroads towns just last week, I saw an ATM machine that was stuck on an OS/2 Presentation Manager(!) error-screen!

Remember: "computer software does not 'wear out.' Therefore, it also does not 'die.'"

Microsoft (and, for that matter, various Linux distro vendors) published software which ... just for example ... "banks, hospitals, hardware-vendors, governments, and armies and navies(!)" relied on.

Is it therefore possible for them, now, to just say, "hey, it's been fun ... see ya!" :mad: Uhh, (Hell...) N-O."

On the other hand, "can they now require you to pay for it?" Indeed, yes.

In fact, in the "mainframe and otherwise big-iron world," it is quite routine to require a customer to continue(!) to pay ... and it is understood to be "indefinitely(!!)" ... for what is called "maintenance."

Both parties understand that the customer expects and requires an indefinite business relationship. Through a "maintenance" contract, which the vendor uniformly imposes upon all of its customers, every customer pays a pro rata share of the vendor's costs and fair profits.

- - -
I would quite-candidly observe that "way too many" dot-bomb startups ... "way too many" 'app' and 'game' vendors ... even to this day ... have still failed to recognize the business value of this logic. (And this is precisely why they "bomb(ed)," oh-by-the-by leaving their customers(!!!) :eek: completely scro-o-o-ood in the lurch!)

(Full disclosure ...) Did I :rolleyes: "completely learn this lesson?" Not quite. Because of the particular nature of the software product that lately made the most money for me, I'm still reminded of just how widely-used "1990's technologies" still are. (What? You're kidding me. Really?!) ;) Nevertheless, and though I today stand to make no further money for it (unless I can dream-up something new ... stay tuned ...), I still jump to support our c-u-s-t-o-m-e-r!" :)

I don't doubt that many OS/2 installations still exist. In fact I have v 4.1 WSeB on this very 64 bit PC, new just 3 years ago (2014). It has a few updated drivers from eComStation but then that was always IBMs difficulty... hardware support after the PC explosion. I learned to write Assembly with an eye on making my own device drivers only to find that, oddly, device drivers were more difficult than learning Assembly. IBM, or rather large parts of it, wanted to shut OS/2 down 10 years before they finally did because of the outcry from Hospitals, Air Traffic Controllers, Banks and the like. When millions of dollars per minute and/or lives are at stake, one wants something worthy of trust, lest BSODs become literal.. It was my favorite system for decades and still I wish it had continued.. Perhaps the old cliche that if IBM bought out the best Sushi company in the world they would market it as "raw, dead fish" has some truth in it. ;)

FWIW IBM's subscription policy was a vastly better bang for buck than Microsoft's. For years after v. 4.1 was released and sold, free service packs, massively greater than even some costly MS version changes (let alone service updates) , were still being made for v 2.0, Version 3, commonly known as OS/2 Warp 3, had ~30 such free service packs. Additionally community driven software was larger than the Linux analog until roughly 2007. Some professional Partition Managers still recognize NTFS as HPFS from which it was "derived". In fact the successful shell game that MS pulled off (for a second time!) to keep essentially all of the best parts of OS/2 was a large part of the embarrassment and disaffection within IBM. But then Billy was always better at Glitz and Glamour.

um, back to the royal submarines:
i suppose that's a closed system, no network access, and the missiles aren't launched via bletooth or wifi, but a solid cable connection.
right?
(i might be wrong)
in that case, i don't see why win xp would be a problem - quite the opposite - why require a newer windows version that just eats resources for a "user-friendly" UI?