Ha, if they are real and not photoshop jobs they could quite conceivably be indigenous structures that were submerged during the last sea level rise. In other words there is nothing even slightly mysterious in this.

I don't believe in this stuff but I do wonder what is the purpose of all these planets in our solar system.

Why do you think they have a purpose?

Maybe to balance things in the universe. Who knows???

So do you think this is a weight balance issue? If, for example Saturn was missing, the Solar system we are in would be like a car tyre without correct balance weights? This is a serious question.

I don't know. You need to ask a space engineer or scientist

No, I don't need to ask anyone else but you what you think. If I ask someone else what you think they will say

Doesn't matter what we think..The point is someone did create all that ancient stuff which can be seen in 3D today and we should explore them otherwise if it really was something special or warning about something then we should not allow situation "by the time we figure out what really goes on it will be too late to change". I guess some people are scared of truth...

It does matter what we think, if you know somethign to be accurate, true, important then argue for it. if you know it to be the opposite then argue against it.

Not everything you are citing as factual evidence of Alien construction on Earth was created (better work would be made) by aliens. I explained the crystal cave as a geological occurence, I even gave you something to look up yet I doubt you even thought of taking a look for yourself because you are so set in your ways thinking that everything here must have some mysterious origin.

What a poor attempt at an insult. You know something, truth is something I am not scared of if I am wrong I'll admit it, if I make a mistake I'll admit it, if I have an opinion it is mine and I won't go around sprouting it as fact. In other words I don't make up "truth" to suit my own personal belief system or even more disturbingly my own agenda.

UFO believers are watching too much X Files

It's not just "X file"s, it's probably any kind of sci-fi or popular pseudo science "documentaries" which makes people think "it's possible". If anything this shows the power of television, not to mention social engineering, and showcases human gullibility, but little else. Some people just like to switch off their brains for half an hour and just soak up this kind of crap.

There is a difference between things like the X-Files/SciFi and pseudo science "documanetaries". The first is for entertainment, the second is for brainwashing the gulliblee. There is nothing inherently wrong with "entertainment", there is alot wrong with spreading fantasy as fact. If a person cannot distinguish between entertainment (i.e. fiction) and reality there is a problem, if a person is easily brainwashed there is also a problem.

Which describes most people. How many North Americans watch garbage like Herakles the Legendary Journeys and Zena, and think they are watching shows that depict actual history? The answer is far too many. No movies have realistic fight scenes, yet almost everyone believes the fights are so incredibly realistic. Ignorance results in people being gullible. Those who create rediculous "documentaries" are only taking advantage of the ignorance and credulity instilled in the masses by education systems designed to indocrinate, instead of educate.

I agree but I will also say that more than 1 is far to many and that not everybody believes these things are based on actualy events.

Oh really? Is that so? Let's see what reality has to say:
1. Learn to type correctly - it is Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess.
2. What do those shows have to do with Aliens? Neither of them are about aliens.
3. They might not depict actual history but they still depict history. History is written by victors. Even if twisted it still contains truth.
4. Non-realistic fight scenes? Maybe go visit some martial arts class? They are real.
5. Beauty is in the eye of beholder - it's fine if you think something is garbage or not but don't claim it actually is because you said so.
6. Ignorance is truly bliss - Hollywood not only lies but tells truth - through symbolism..your fault if you can't see it.

I chose the Greek spelling, because the character in the show was supposed to be Greek. Even though they used the Roman name. Some of your so-called reality.
The history is not true, but is still history. Brilliant.
Actually, I know kung-fu. I can state categorically that fight scenes in movies are nonsense. They are, after all, entertainment, not reality.
Sometimes that is true, but not always. Garbage is garbage, even though good salespeople can convince the ignorant and the stupid it is not. You are basically saying, "Do not tell me your opinion if it is different than mine." If you cannot handle different opinons, do not take part in discussions.
Truth through symbolism? From Hollywood?
Looks like you want to encourage people to use the board's ignore list feature.

A good example of pseudo science in "non sci-fi" genres is in the fake computer systems, impossible image enhancement technology and gadgetry seen in many films/TV series and not just those involving spies or police. These do not usually feature aliens, starships or other worlds, but are still sci-fi, just not clearly defined as such. While a good proportion of people will recognise pseudo science in movies immediately, many will not. For someone who is not technologically savvy it's not easy to tell the difference and understand that e.g. an image at 320x200 resolution cannot be "enhanced" and turned into a more detailed image which is 3200x2000.

The same goes for historical based feature films. Since the advent of cinema, these films have created and perpetuated myths in place of historical fact. It has been shown how movies can distort the fiction novels they are based on and cause generations of people to relate to the movie rather than the written word to the extent that the movie can easily become the accepted version, the film industry can and has done the same thing for history and science. For someone not well up on their history, they may just accept some or all of the film maker's version of events.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwoBoS8vG-U

Here's an interesting interview with Michio Kaku talking about recent planet discoveries, seti and the UN office for outer space affairs.

While not a Xfiles fan or dumb enough to accept psycho-babble double talk like
" energetic vortexes that send the mind to different dimensions".

I do give credit to guys who comment on the machine marks on symmetry on things like obelisks, sphinx faces and age, how with modern technology we cannot reproduce any of the large structures scattered around the globe.

Kooks abound in every genre. But if I am standing in front of a block of stone
that a ch-53 or a professional mining company can't even budge and the mountain that stone was mined from is miles and rough terrain away.

Well, then a nay sayer looks like a kook to me also. I guess it all depends if one keeps a young questioning mind or one lives by the accepted dogma of the ages.
I prefer a questioning mind without gullibility but not accepting of weak
dogmatic Nay Sayers who say things like

instead of

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...he-Sphinx.html

Building a complex structure system is a lot different than writing a yarn.

Funny part is. What would your govt or religion rather have you believe.
2 institutions I distrust for any explanation for anything.
I rest my case.

It's amazing how the threads of time can twist
And things once scorned become the trendiest things.
As a young man
I was just "a sci fi fan"
But nowadays I call myself a futurist

Life to short to look at light speed? :). Lot of space out there and you know there has to be something somewhere.
But one thing I am sure they probably don't use windoze zzzz.

I don't believe in aliens and flying saucers either. But if people want to believe in them, well that's just them IMHO

Funny, these 2 ladies did not either on the way to their Bingo game.

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But the radiation burns were just to hard to ignore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident

I guess watching the X Files can cause psychosomatic health problems, (though I betacha those country girls were not X file fans either).

Well, imagine that. ;)

I personally find "we don't know, therefore aliens!" as unsatisfying as "we don't know, therefore god!" or "we don't know, therefore hidden knowledge!".

I don't think most people think this way. Most people have a belief because of personal experience and I, for one, will not knock someone for that. If I don't know what people experienced who am I, or who is anyone for that matter, to say they are not right? The issue is we don't know, people can say to others all they like that they do know something isn't real but quite frankly that is just plain ignorance because we just don't know everything there is to know and even science cannot tell us everything.

And i personally find lack of quest for real truth(original science purpose - unBIASed exploration to get to reality behind everything not what popularity thinks) feeling ignorant. Your quote reminded me of this NWO guides quote
If it was not God, Aliens, people with advanced knowledge who created those ancient wonders then who did it and what for? It is even more interesting because we can't repeat them today with all our superior tools and knowledge over ancient ancestor humans. Argument of nothing doesn't work either as answer.
Bingo! There is always some event in our lives that prooves something more exists than meets the eye. Also science cannot tell us everything because it is not only thing out there plus it doesn't decide reality it describes but then who decides it? Who put science in play? Until we won't have answer we CAN discuss possibilities.

This is just wrong. We can make these things with our superior tools and knowledge, what we can't do is work out how they made these things. All that says to me is we don't know about all of their technology.

Nope, you are twising things again. I never insinuated at all that anything is proved. Rather I said people believe things because of personal experience. These personal experiences do not prove anything instead they support beliefs.

Your comment about science also twists reality. Science was never intended to decide reality, scientist use methods to support different hypothesis. Science does not decide anything and cannot because science does not think and it does not think because it is not a cognisant being. Science is a human construct, nothing more nothing less. Saying, as you have, that science decides shows a complete lack of understanding of what science is.

These two statements are contradicting themselves. You propose that you want unbiased exploration, but come up with a not provable hypothesis and keep it at that state. You ask the right question, who did it what for, but refuse to look at the simpler explanations and just assume that their must be either aliens and/or someone who hides knowledge from you. That is why I say I am not satisfied with those statements, I am not saying that they are wrong, they may possibly be true, but they are personal opinion and not provable and therefore have no value in science.

Of course science can tell us not everything. But you know which value anecdotal evidence has, even in court rooms material evidence is always valued higher than eye witnesses testimony. They can be influenced by personal beliefs that they had already before the incident, they can be influenced by a lack of understanding or a lack of education, or by some horror story they have seen on TV or in the newspapers.
I am not saying that eye witnesses have necessarily to be wrong, I am saying that such incidents have questionable value, therefore I find them unsatisfying. People can believe what they want, but for me it makes no difference if they stop with the god of the gaps, the alien of the gaps or the hidden knowledge of the gaps.
We don't know means exactly that: We don't know. It does not mean aliens/god/illuminati/whatever must have done it.

Yeah me also. I agree totally. I just aint gullible is all.

I do know though, that courtrooms and scientific boards can be corrupted and
rely on a certain agenda as money,jobs, and reputations are on the line when
dogma is challenged.

Slaves used to be considered sub-human in courts. There was scientific evidence supporting those agendas.

Clovis New Mexico is just up the road from me. The govt and courts had a agenda with that town. Just like when manifest destiny was a agenda years ago.
Area 51 has a Agenda. Wright Patterson Air Force Base Has a agenda.
Deathbed confessions have come out on Clovis since then. But I guess the scientific communitiy figures it is like you said.
"material evidence is always valued higher than eye witnesses testimony."

Kinda hard to come up with material evidence when competing with a multi billion dollar industry with scientific backing.

But like you said "we just don't know". But boy, "I can sure wonder about it".
That does not mean I am a kook, a hick, or will take a wooden nickel.
People should not deny that because life decided to evovle and think on this world. That in this vast universe. It could not happen again.

The odds are against you when you think this. I would not bet on it.

I always thought this funny.

Oh, IMHO it would be astonishing if in such a vast universe (maybe multiverse?) Earth would be the only planet that has lifeforms. However, I personally don't think that aliens ever visited this planet, for different reasons, like the extreme distances that would need extreme long journeys to get to different solar systems, with enormous financial costs, needed technology that we can only dream of and so on. As far as I know, there are only few reasons that make interstellar spacetravel a viable option. When a civilization has no other chance (every civilization that exists long enough has to leave their solar system when their sun burns out), for example, or when their technology is so far evolved that time and costs do not play a role anymore.

I just find it very unlikely that an intelligent alien lifeform (if it exists, maybe we are the first) comes here with all their technology, builds some pyramids or other buildings and leave without leaving any clue to us. Or that they come here to use anal probes on some hillbillies (why is something like that always happening in rural areas and to rather uneducated people?).

A civilization with such great technology would not need to hide from us, we aren't a threat to them. If they want to study us they could do it with far better methods than kidnapping people, for example with probes built with nano-technology. They would not need to use buildings to reveal their existence, the technological methods to do that in a better way are vast.

Of course one can dream, I myself am a science fiction fan, but one has to come back to reality after that.

Understood. But. You are Human. Not Alien. So no telling how they think.

Cmon TobiSGD. I give you more credit than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI

Once more you fail to realize something..SOMEONE DID create them!!! They exist!! Unlike origins theories you can actually go to them, smell them, touch them, feel them, see them, hear them when knock etc. Therefore they DO have creator-builders AND purpose! There has been scientific studies of those ancient constructions and results proove we are missing something special because the results and analysis doesn't match what we have been told about them nor teached in schools..and if you were that being who created them you would have your reasons why you don't want to reveal yourself and hide or why left. Humans have shown that they are not ready for that truth yet so i can understand them. Maybe they left on purpose to one day return or something else like experiment but the fact stays - those constructions were built and they do exist and they do provide clues and they do trigger curiosity for normal sane person. Here..watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdGs7dG13CA - Secret Ancient knowledge exposed
Something IS missing..rest is details around it. :)

The issue is what has caused the evidence to be missing. Let's see, the the Egyptian Pyramids are basically surrounded by desert. Sand storms blow, the Nile floods, evidence gets washed away, blown away, or covered in silt or sand never to be seen again. There is nothing remotely mysterious in this so there is no need at all to credit eliens from outer space with the building of such structures.

Your desire for answers is admirable. Your pushing of fanciful theories and telling everyone else we are wrong, clueless, need to get an education, is not.

True.

OK, I should have said almost always instead of always. I am quite baffled about the "he is 90% sure", which leaves a good amount of doubt for himself.

And again you fall back to "We don't know yet, therefore aliens and hidden knowledge". That is simply not how it works.

It amazes me that no one (as far as I know) doubts pyramids in Mesopotamia and Central America were built by humans, but so many people want to believe pyramids in Egypt were built by extra-terrestrials.

I appologise for confusing the issue with facts, but:
1) There are historical documents that mention pyramid construction. Such as inventory lists of food and clothing paid to labourers in the labour camps when pyramids were being built.
2) My memory is a bit rusty, so I forget if it was in the '70s or '80s, but a group of archaeologists (a.k.a. educated idiots) conducted an experiment. Based on written records, they built a small pyramid near the Nile using stones from one of the quarries used by the Egyptians. The wonderfully advanced technology they used to move the large stones was to tie ropes around the stones and have two or three-hundred people pull the ropes.

But of course, that is neither proof nor evidence to those who prefer fantasy over reality.

Here is a puzzle


Taken in the 1930's. Looks nothing like a Indian/Meso-American and was located in Guatemala. Dated by one dude at 5000BC (with a grain of salt by me). And no. It don't look like this head or this head

Comparison MesoAmerican figure >>>>I use it as a Guydog Linux Wallpaper


It was Important enough for the US govt. to go down and steal the durn thing and hide it.

I figure humans can provide the labour for some constructions projects.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3165/3...4fc0f5e5_o.jpg

But copper, bronze tools, timber,and strong backs (edit: and elephants) and ropes. Cmon now.

I who build things knows it is much easier to stack up much smaller blocks to get the same effect.
I have searched for any info on that 1930's picture but guess what. Dead ends mostly. Which
I have learned to distrust when on a search. Heck. The Aztecs let Cortes land just because a
white dude was in their god scriptures and prophecies.

History is full of gaps and conjecture and when something of worth is found. Sometimes it just disappears,
through govt. intervention.

Rokytnji think about this for a minute. You have just posted numerous pictures from blogs etc but only the pictures. If you want a discussion about it please post a link to the relevant posts so we can see what is posted.

With regards to the head in the jungle the picture has some curious "shadows" to it. The head itself has shadow on it from the sun shining from a certain direction yet the car doesn't!

I would but dead ends are all I get for

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column...-america-32168

I feel like most forum members here work for project blue book.

http://www.defense.gov/faq/pis/16.html

Especially with aka photoshop references like this

So beating a dead horse is not my style. You guys do what you do. I'll keep doing what I do.
I can't convince you. You can't convince me.

Besides playing Devils Advocate. What is you lifestyle philisophy?
Mine I got from a WW2 concentration camp survivor.

Dream like you will live forever.
Live like you will die today.

Hmmmm. Mayan Film maker with no funding vs the Defence Dept of the United States.
I wonder how that turned out.
I also don't believe that a single shooter took out Martin Luther King either.

Happy Trails, Rok

I'll swing the bat one more time as I at least found this.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column...xclusive-38921

No wonder dead ends everywhere. Like I think. If something of value turns up. Something happens to disrupt
that.

Cool story but those are not facts but theories. Sure humans could do it but noone so far except Coral Castle builder has clearly shown publicly with real valid examples what is behind all that in details and even then it is still secret. Why? Because it has value! Worth hiding! But of course for someone who doesn't even bother reading and introducing to materials provided it is unavoidable to make clueless reply.. :)
Precisely!

I am not sure since when historical documents were degraded from facts to theories. Also, which facts do you have to present that backup your theories?

Of course it is worth hiding. They make money with it. From the very website you linked to (which by the way is advertising a commercial museum, so of course they try to make it mysterious):I would consider the two reasons in bold much more likely than the third one, but of course they added the third, so that they get more visitors. Every adult who falls for that brings them 12-15$. There is no evidence at all that some ancient hidden knowledge or alien tools were used. Here you see theories, not facts. And money making:

Meh. It started raining so I am back at the Desktop inside the shop.

This thread is kinda like a catch 22 thing.

One person points to links and of course they are flaky because any valid stuff has been covered up or stolen.
So to be on the unpopular side is tough, though maybe plausible, and the odds favoring that in the universe. Life may be
more of a constant than one gives credit for.

If they visited Earth. Maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmWp590TUAE

Some countries think they did, enough to spend the money. http://exonews.org/report-launch-per...fo-department/

Oh, in case no one knows by what I mean by saying catch 22 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Catch-22

So basically a no win win for any outlook IMO.

I am grinning because of all the people to take up the position in this argument. I am the least qualified to do so.

I am uneducated, a desert creature, no special training other than avionics on helicopters and bar fighting techniques
taught to me by outlaw bikers. I live in redneck country and baptist churches dot the landscape.

So what in the hell am I doing here you ask?
Well. I have always struggled to be what I am not. What I am is A Neanderthal Built, Knuckle dragging, Linux using Biker.
I'd rather be a enlightened human being who can cope with any changes that come my way.

Being closed minded is not my style, show me evidence and I will look at it with a discerning eye. I will then ask relevant questions to see if the evidence stacks up.

Are you the survivor? If you are you have my most humble respect. If you are genuinely interested PM me I wont be responsible for this thread going off-topic like mine was taken off-topic.

:rolleyes:
Historical documents are stories and the only facts are ideas based on ignorance. I should have known better than to post in such a thread.

I'm just pointing out fact that we are not monkeys..maybe reason why humans are not perfect is because we are flaky made by someone else like Aliens or God is blocking our potential on purpose to have evolution and experience? Think about that..human history doesn't fit what we have been teached in schools..any sane person will have questions. Try experimenting at home and acting like one often - you will realize something is wrong in this picture and doesn't add up to truth and reality. ;)

Neither are we amoeba or starfish. We do, however, share a common ancestry with "monkeys". Get over it.

Not likely.

I can't speak for you, but what I was taught in our educational system does, for the most part.

They might, but probably not the ones you imagine. Crazy people have questions, too, but often come up with equally crazy answers.

Yeah, it's what I've come to expect here.

Never try to teach a pig to sing. You can't do it, and it irritates the pig.
(Attributed to R. Heinlein, Will Rogers, Mark Twain, and others)

Correct, we belong to the apes.

I would go with Occam's Razer here: maybe humans aren't perfect because we evolved and were not created. No god or aliens needed for that theory, which makes it preferable.

How do you know? Besides that, history is a soft science and can only rely on what previous generations left for us to interpret. There will always be spots of history that we don't know, especially those spots before the invention of written language. That does not at all mean that some hidden entity tries to obfuscate history.
Sure. And any sane person should not fall back to: I don't know, therefore hidden agenda.
That is why we have science, to get nearer to the point where it all adds up. Again, this won't work with "I don't know, therefore some hidden entity", because that approach will stop you from getting to the base and will lead you away from the way of knowledge.
Look at the middle age medicine, people thought that diseases were caused by demons or are a punishment from god. Stopping with that we would never have gotten the benefits of modern medicine.

Emphasis added by me.

Your posts get more bizarre each time you post. You have picked at spelling, insinuated people are uneducated, go on about historical texts not being real evidence but insist your (bizarre) beliefs are truth, and many more things I could list but am sure you as the overly educated (or is it teached :rolleyes: ) person you are can find.

Modifying a line from LOTR

"This isn't a discussion (mine), it's a circus (tomb)"

Well, it's Holloween in my small Texas Town. UFO crash sites popping up all over town lately.

http://www.cloudcroft.com/photos/witch.jpg

I am gonna get me some candy, and forgetta about it.

One more thing about this underlined example. You are using something random, rare and unapprooved by everyone. According to your logic i can also give you this link about how some german scientists say they have proof of God(applies for Aliens aswell). And if they really would proove anything with that little experiment every kid would know how that ancient stuff were made by now but they don't.. :)
This includes science religions. ;)

You are correct of course. That "random experiment" only shows that people could easily have built those structures. Just like the written records from ancient Egypt "claimed" they were built. So it proves nothing and is obviosly nonsense. Those structure must have been built by aliens! The dates when all the pyramids were built and for which kings is also recorded in the historical record. But those historical records are all wrong. The Egyptians who wrote those accounts were fantasising under the influent of hallucinogenic compounds. After they saw aliens build a pyramid, they falsely recorded the structure being ordered by the previous king and created fake work records to support the lie.