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Old 03-31-2015, 02:34 AM   #16
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I don't think that you would consider "the exact (within ± 7 feet) whereabouts of you, your spouse, and your kids, 24/7/365 every 2 minutes for the past 3 years," to be "public information." But even a "game" app could be sitting there on your phone, constantly(!) collecting that information and transmitting it ... you don't know, you don't know where, you don't know to whom. And, this mass of "marketing information" (sic) is ... well ... Knowledge Is Power.™

We have, without second thought, dispatched this information to the places in our "cloud" where the electric power is cheapest, and put it into the hands of people whose labor is cheapest, implicitly trusting(!) these people to not have minds of their own. Unfortunately, this is not a valid assumption.

We have rushed headlong into this thing.
It's not completely unknown. Atleast on my devices, the GPS icon comes on whenever an app is accessing it. Not to mention the greatly increased battery drain would be noticable.
 
Old 03-31-2015, 02:22 PM   #17
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I don't think that you would consider "the exact (within 7 feet) whereabouts of you, your spouse, and your kids, 24/7/365 every 2 minutes for the past 3 years," to be "public information."
if you are outside of YOUR place of residence

IT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION ,and information YOU DO NOT OWN .

as i said
the what and HOW has changed

that information HAS always been PUBLIC since 1776

the fact is NOW a private investigator ( or journalist / paparazzi / police / "Three Letter Organization" ) dose NOT have to watch you 24/7

it NOW can be done REMOTELY and thus MORE COST EFFECTIVE


this has Always been legal


privacy is and ALWAYS has been An Illusion !!!
but up until the last 20 or so years it has been WAY !!!! too EXPENSIVE to collect, correlate , and use
that it was only done in rare occasions

thousands of man( police and irs ) hours were used to connect all of Al Capone people
the LEG work need to create the "phone / organization" TREE back then was HUGE

now
a TLO annalist types it into a "TOP SECRET " named database and it looks for a tree

ps

Personally i would like to see the WORLD go back to NEEDING TO DO THE LEG WORK !!!

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Old 04-01-2015, 08:39 AM   #18
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John, I'll just stand by my opinion that the opinion that you now express is not the one that will become "accepted jurisprudence" within even a year or so. As I've expressed before, we are still living in "the Happy Time" of "all this Internet new-stuff," in which millions of people are ... exposing themselves to vulnerabilities that they know not of. (Because, they have never existed before, in all of human history or jurisprudence.)

Right now, people send "private" e-mails ... without envelopes. They spill their guts on Facebook ... because "only their friends" can see it, forgetting that Facebook can (and does). But, as perhaps the most immediate risk that could translate to "new and novel terrorism," they are spewing their second-by-second geolocation, as well as that of their children.

Superimposed over all of this is the other, twin, set of enabling factors, which are like gasoline on the fire:
  1. "The Cloud™," which puts data-centers and data anywhere in the world where electric power (and labor) is cheapest, and conceals from public awareness exactly where "where" is.
  2. "Ignorant labor policies," which shamelessly encourage the importation of laborers from foreign lands, treats them poorly while they're in the land, and sends them back to their homeland periodically. "Cheap(er) labor" is the only, capitalistic concern, but the risks involved have not become public policy yet. The profession of software development is not yet recognized as "a profession." The strictures that are gradually being imposed on the handling of data do not yet include strictures on the people who effectively and typically have carte-blanche access to that data.

As I said, "the Happy Time." Unfortunately, when such gigantic vulnerabilities are allowed to exist, someone can, and therefore will, exploit it ... and, unfortunately, in the most-savage way. (You can't outrun "knowledge of your habits and practices perhaps

But even so, we are already very-plainly seeing the cracks in the patina. We can't keep explaining away "data breaches" as the work of incredibly clever far away hackers when anyone who's ever read a dime-store detective novel would come to the very obvious and much simpler conclusion: "it was an inside job." (And then, when evaluating where the data is, and who has access to it, also has "the means and the motive.")

When John Q. Public is finally confronted with this ... and let us pray that the confrontation isn't commensurate with the demolition of three buildings in New York City ... the results will not be pretty for our starry-eyed industry. They will sue, and they will win "as a class." They will demand legislation, and it will come: the harsh, knee-jerk legislation that comes from legislatures that are themselves "running scared."

None of these outcomes are, in any way, "outcomes that I want." But I do spend a lot of time reading history books, and there are plenty of parallels between this and past technological improvements. The Internet, however, is far more pervasive (and in several different meanings of that word), making it therefore far more risky. The "Happy Times" that we are now in, may turn very "Sad" indeed. Let us earnestly hope not ... but history suggests otherwise.
 
Old 04-01-2015, 12:03 PM   #19
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Not bad show to watch after IT Crowd.
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{...}the "cyber" is science fiction, and the editing is jarringly choppy and frenetic.{...}
Hello?!. It is supposed to be entartaining not real life. Want real life? Go watch youtube videos.
 
Old 04-01-2015, 03:20 PM   #20
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I watched a long time back the first 20 min of the first episode of IT Crowd and really hated it - I felt kind of insulted for all my efforts at understanding the foreign cultures, way of working, etc... .
That was the end of my IT Crowd experience.

On the other side I absolutely LOVED Better off Ted.
I loved all those crazy mgmt directives (similar to the company I'm working for) and the business & tech guys being weird but still being often great in whatever they're doing.

It would be nice to see as well some "deeper" stuff - I'm sure that we all had unforgettable experiences.
Meaning e.g. the loneliness of being called at 3am for a very critical system you know nothing about,
having to manage a meeting where all stakeholders are going crazy,
the regret of having done "that simple change that wasn't supposed to have any impact",
the pressure of the timelines of a project,
the first time that you had to become one of the "bad guys",
the temptations not to adhere to the company's guidelines,
indirect repercussions of budget reductions,
etc... etc... .

Doesn't have to be a show dedicated on this - it would just be nice to see from time to time something that matches reality in existing shows, and that really explains the thoughts and feelings of the people that are involved.

What do you think?
 
Old 04-01-2015, 09:12 PM   #21
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Hello?!. It is supposed to be entartaining not real life. Want real life?
I have found that poor writing, wooden acting, and incompetent plotting does not make a show entertaining.

Had they hit .333, I could have enjoyed it. Instead, they batted zero.

Give me reruns of My Favorite Martian. It wasn't good science, but it was at least fun to watch.

As I said, I'll give it one more episode.

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