LinuxQuestions.org
Welcome to the most active Linux Forum on the web.
Home Forums Tutorials Articles Register
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General
User Name
Password
General This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 03-29-2017, 03:42 AM   #16
cynwulf
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,727

Rep: Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367

State coverups are a reality, harsher penalties such as the death penalty probably won't deter potential leakers. Making the state more accountable and "policing the police" is the key rather than putting a lid on it, issuing harsher penalties and orchestrating more coverups and whitewashes.

You have to consider the dirt which any given administration tries to cover up, for example Iraq 2003/WMD claims made by the US and UK governments:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-70-years.html

You don't classify a postmortem from a "suicide victim" for 70 years if you've got nothing to hide. If the victim is also the key player in "leaks" relating to the infamous "dodgy dossier" affair, people are right to be suspicious. And this coming from the "Lord" who led the "inquiry" into the whole affair. This is where classification is abused and equals simply hiding the truth and misleading the public. There is a huge difference between this and the actions of military personnel in a theatre of war.

But as ever, people have short memories and go about their daily lives in a state of self delusion and with the conviction that they are powerless to change the status quo in this "democracy". Even in the case of Iraq 2003/WMD the dirt got out, but the politicians simply kept repeating the same lie, revising the statement day by day - finally, "it was the right thing to do". Why? We've no idea, but the powers that be are sticking to that and in doing so are simply repeating the bare faced lie again and again. Looking at the state of that country now, I have serious doubts.

This is an example of something "the public has a right no know" - i.e. actions carried out in your name, for you as a voter and which you will have to pay for or bear the consequences of - long term.

Last edited by cynwulf; 03-29-2017 at 03:43 AM.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 06:03 AM   #17
dave@burn-it.co.uk
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Distribution: Puppy
Posts: 601

Rep: Reputation: 172Reputation: 172
I think in the good doctor's case the 70 years is so that all the people involved will have died anyway so any severe penalty for them would be pointless.
There is NO WAY he committed suicide. You don't book a restaurant for an anniversary meal with your wife and then go and top yourself.
If it hadn't been for that, they just might have got away with it!!
 
Old 03-29-2017, 08:23 AM   #18
sundialsvcs
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: SE Tennessee, USA
Distribution: Gentoo, LFS
Posts: 10,659

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 4

Rep: Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941
I have a good book called Senseless Secrets. Harry Potter's "Room of Requirement" was very much based on the absurdity of some government secrets being used to cover-up elected officials' dirty laundry.

Nevertheless, I believe that classified information is generally classified for good reason. When the President has a supposedly confidential phone call with another head-of-state and tomorrow it's in the newspapers, that's a problem. Likewise, when you examine what the WikiLeaks material – terabytes of it – consists of, that's a problem, too. The biggest problem is: "how did they get all of that stuff in the first place?"

How did apparently-authentic messages from the Secretary of State wind up on a DVD in an active battlefield, in the hands of a two-bit soldier of the line? That soldier could not have taken that information: it was given to him. But, by whom?

Now, the US Government also gives out security clearances like water ... in fact, they have outsourced(!) the process of granting them, which in my view makes the whole thing pretty useless. There are a lot of things out there with very low-grade classifications which probably don't need them at all. (Certainly, I think that classification is used so that the public doesn't find out how much money is being wasted on certain things.)

But, nevertheless, if it is State Secret, and you reveal it ... most especially if you reveal it for political gain ... in my hard-lined opinion, "you are a traitor."

We have a Freedom of Information Act. Through a formal process you can request that certain information be declassified and given to you – possibly in redacted form. The intent of this Act was to balance "the public's right to know" with the needs of information security.

Last edited by sundialsvcs; 03-29-2017 at 08:24 AM.
 
  


Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[US-Politics] Will Trump turn out to be a "two-week President?" sundialsvcs General 171 03-27-2017 03:25 PM
[US-Politics] Speculation: "Donald Trump, Congress, and The Art of the Deal" sundialsvcs General 5 03-15-2017 07:34 AM
[US Politics] - Trump may reinstate secret CIA 'black site' prisons: U.S. officials Jeebizz General 18 01-30-2017 12:42 PM
LXer: Richard Stallman Talks GNU, Linux, Terrorism and French Politics LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 04-18-2016 12:12 PM
Why time slot mentioned in /etc/security/time.conf doesn't work pihu Linux - Security 1 01-06-2006 01:20 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:33 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration