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jeremy 01-28-2006 03:02 PM

Graphics App of the Year
 
Yes, we know many of these apps are not directly comparable. The real question should be, which one does its job the best.

--jeremy

linmix 01-29-2006 12:00 PM

I'm trying to make scribus my MS Publisher replacement, but it's so profesional (or I'm so unprofesional) it's giving me a really hard time (so that's not what I voted...)

bandersnatchy 01-29-2006 01:15 PM

Wanted to vote for Gimp, but failing to provide an easy, effective Red-eye tool (in the default install), which would be useful to so many photo-hobbiests, is a bummer.

Gimp is great. But many people are into digital photography now. Are the project leaders must be spending too much time buried in code? Or living in the past? So many times they have made the right choices. Perhaps I am unreasonable. Anyway, with regard to this choice, they are missing the obvious.

Raftysworld 01-29-2006 08:19 PM

I think that Krita should be on this list (Part of the KOffice suite). But out of these, GIMP is still the best for image editting.

Ruben2 01-30-2006 03:52 AM

I was in doubt between Gimp and Blender, I voted for Blender because I voted for Gimp last year (bad reason I know ;) )

Daengbo 01-30-2006 08:00 AM

Bleder baby!
 
Blender hit 2.4 this year, and with it a new animation engine, support for Yafray, and a streamlining of the interface. I still can't use it properly, but that's some list of improvements.

AntWarrior 01-30-2006 11:39 AM

Objectively : Inkscape vs Scribus . Inkscape won
Subjective ,gut feeling : Blender vs Gimp . Undecided :-)

Soda Ant 01-30-2006 11:39 AM

I recently tried Scribus as a possible replacement for Pagemaker/InDesign and was very disappointed. This application claims to do professional-level page layout, yet it doesn't even do paragraph fills any better than WordStar did 20 years ago. Scribus may be off to a good start, but it's got a long, long way to go before it even equals PageMaker v1.0.

anticapitalista 01-30-2006 12:39 PM

Inkscape does its job the best.

cies 01-30-2006 12:40 PM

Why cant i post on KRITA?

The project was enormeously active last year...

too bad...

cies breijs

Doc.Nostromo 01-30-2006 01:06 PM

Inkscape rocks ;)

Illissius 01-30-2006 01:12 PM

Where's Krita? :)

edit - while I'll be voting for Krita, Karbon14 might be worth including, as well.

mjjzf 01-30-2006 02:09 PM

Scribus won this one for me, but actually what won was the combination: Scribus with GIMPed images.
And I agree: Krita is ready to take a place here.

Kensai 01-30-2006 02:49 PM

GIMP is the best atm.

dmbkiwi 01-30-2006 03:45 PM

You are missing two major ones - krita and digikam.

ZephyrXero 01-30-2006 03:56 PM

2005 was definitely the year of Inkscape. I have been in absolute love with ever since I found it...if only some other open source graphics apps were this user friendly..:::cough::Gimp::cough:: :P

Mr. New 01-30-2006 04:35 PM

i would have voted for krita, as it got a lot of improvements this year. To bad it isn't a option yet.

jeremy 01-30-2006 05:50 PM

Krita has been added.

--jeremy

cyrilleberger 01-30-2006 06:48 PM

thanks for adding krita :) (I definitively did for it, but I am little biased toward it ;))

ozar 01-30-2006 06:52 PM

gotta go gimp

KimVette 01-30-2006 07:40 PM

I wanted to vote for Gimp, but I could not bring myself to do it, and here's why:

- No layer effects
- If you open a Photoshop file and then save it, you break it
- PDF support is weak compared to Photoshop
- Scaling, rotating, skewing/shearing, etc. all suck in Gimp and are painful compared to Photoshop
- The GUI sucks. There should be an option to enable ALL Gimp windows to come forward when I bring the focus to any one given Gimp window - or at minimum all the palettes. Don't make me hunt for a palette when I had to bring a file manager window forward to move a file. I dislike MDI, but at least Photoshop is not a bear to manage.
- Tablet support is weak compared to Photoshop
- Feather and grow should work like every single other image editor on the planet. Why should I have to relearn feathering and grow(expand) and then screw up when I have to do work in Photoshop because I've grown accustom to The Gimp's eccentricies?
- Why can I not group layers together, have sublayers, etc.?
- Text handling SUCKS in Gimp

I use Gimp all the time but for some things I need to go to another workstation to use Photoshop - particularly for layer effects. Why should an action which takes a max of three mouse clicks on a single layer in Photoshop require 2 to 4 additional layers and about 30 clicks to accomplish, never mind the fact that to back out and change your effect in Photoshop takes just three clicks, while in The Gimp it's simpler to save and version your image? *&%@ ^*&@^(& ^@!% *!&!!!!!!

suslik 01-30-2006 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZephyrXero
2005 was definitely the year of Inkscape. I have been in absolute love with ever since I found it...if only some other open source graphics apps were this user friendly..:::cough::Gimp::cough:: :P

Must agree, Inkcape is THE tool that made SVG'ing KDE (and, likely, all other DEs) practical. There are some issues (layer management, point editing), but on some levels it's even handier than Illustrator. Yumm!

superstoned 01-31-2006 02:18 AM

i wouldn't say Krita is the best app of those, but it is certainly the one with the most impressive development last year. they're steaming ahead of gimp, quite some accomplishment, imho. many features ppl wanted from the gimp for years are now included in Krita, and some others... i'm looking forward to the stable 1.5 release, and especially to the 2.0 release end of this year!

GregaS 01-31-2006 09:51 AM

Blender. Since I've started using it, I became Blender addict :D

gunnix 01-31-2006 09:55 AM

I vote for xfig, xpaint and imagemagick. Because they are fast and featured.

NoWindowsInMyHome 01-31-2006 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstoned
i wouldn't say Krita is the best app of those, but it is certainly the one with the most impressive development last year. they're steaming ahead of gimp, quite some accomplishment, imho. many features ppl wanted from the gimp for years are now included in Krita, and some others... i'm looking forward to the stable 1.5 release, and especially to the 2.0 release end of this year!

krita is a million miles away from being as good as gimp. comparing krita with gimp is like comparing microsoft's paint to photoshop elements.

i voted for gimp. next best is inkscape (even though they serve a different purpose). both of them are way ahead of the competition.

superstoned 01-31-2006 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
krita is a million miles away from being as good as gimp. comparing krita with gimp is like comparing microsoft's paint to photoshop elements.

i voted for gimp. next best is inkscape (even though they serve a different purpose). both of them are way ahead of the competition.

check the latest krita. even the gimp developers said they where impressed. you should have a look at http://cyrilleberger.blogspot.com. and read http://applications.linux.com/applic...2.shtml?tid=39 for some featurs gimp (and most other apps) don't have.

NoWindowsInMyHome 01-31-2006 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstoned
check the latest krita. even the gimp developers said they where impressed. you should have a look at http://cyrilleberger.blogspot.com. and read http://applications.linux.com/applic...2.shtml?tid=39 for some featurs gimp (and most other apps) don't have.

well of course they would say that. i've got the latest krita. there are a couple of features that gimp doesn't have, but for every feature that kita has that gimp doesn't, there are around 7 that gimp has that krita doesn't.

sundancekid 01-31-2006 06:09 PM

Inkscape is great :)

superstoned 02-01-2006 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
well of course they would say that. i've got the latest krita. there are a couple of features that gimp doesn't have, but for every feature that kita has that gimp doesn't, there are around 7 that gimp has that krita doesn't.

i agree gimp has much more features compared to krita, just as KDE in general has more features compared to gnome... but krita is more usable, faster and it's development goes faster, too. and it already included some things like colorspace independence that gimp apparantly can't include, even after years of being asked by users about this - my guess is their architecture just doesn't allow it, currently.

kesara 02-01-2006 05:58 AM

Actually I don't use Graphics Apps very often...
When needed one I always use Gimp because its so easy to use & fast.

NoWindowsInMyHome 02-01-2006 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstoned
i agree gimp has much more features compared to krita, just as KDE in general has more features compared to gnome... but krita is more usable, faster and it's development goes faster, too. and it already included some things like colorspace independence that gimp apparantly can't include, even after years of being asked by users about this - my guess is their architecture just doesn't allow it, currently.

MS paint is also faster than photoshop elements for exactly the same reason.

cyrilleberger 02-01-2006 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
MS paint is also faster than photoshop elements for exactly the same reason.

Thank you for the comparison with MS Paint :)

taupist 02-01-2006 10:59 AM

It's gotta be Gimp, but I have to say that Inkscape and Blender deserve to be high on the list. BTW, does anyone know of an open source drafting (i.e., home plans) program?? I might even try to make some kind of contribution to such an app.

Widgeteye 02-01-2006 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandersnatchy
Wanted to vote for Gimp, but failing to provide an easy, effective Red-eye tool (in the default install), which would be useful to so many photo-hobbiests, is a bummer.

Gee, red eye tool?

Try black fill.

diilbert 02-01-2006 02:09 PM

GIMP I use it on Windows and Linux. And there is nothing else on the list that comes close in my opinion.

PcManiac 02-01-2006 02:45 PM

GIMP is almost like a free version of Photoshop!

sdexp 02-01-2006 03:15 PM

Anyway, GIMP has maintained improvements and Inkscape is revolutionary in vector graphics.

KimVette 02-01-2006 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taupist
It's gotta be Gimp, but I have to say that Inkscape and Blender deserve to be high on the list. BTW, does anyone know of an open source drafting (i.e., home plans) program?? I might even try to make some kind of contribution to such an app.

PythonCAD/PyCAD (OS/free)
Qcad (OS*/Free)

* As with many enterprise-quality apps, there is a free version and a closed-source version with more features

superstoned 02-02-2006 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
MS paint is also faster than photoshop elements for exactly the same reason.

kolourpaint is a nice mspaint replacement in KDE, krita is going to be a gimp killer. mark my words, if development continues as it does now, this time next year krita kicks gimps ass. anytime, anywhere. did u read the blogs from the developers lately? boudewijn's blog is even being mentioned by the gimp developers who are amazed by what the krita dev's did last 6 months...

peter_89 02-02-2006 02:58 PM

GIMP.
Most developed.

NoWindowsInMyHome 02-02-2006 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstoned
kolourpaint is a nice mspaint replacement in KDE, krita is going to be a gimp killer. mark my words, if development continues as it does now, this time next year krita kicks gimps ass. anytime, anywhere. did u read the blogs from the developers lately? boudewijn's blog is even being mentioned by the gimp developers who are amazed by what the krita dev's did last 6 months...

krita a "gimp killer"? are you kiddin'? last time(ie last week) i reviewed krita, it seemed like somoene had chopped its head, its arms and its legs off. 'killer', my left nostril :D. you fail to take into consideration the fact that development is rarely uniform. when gimp was the same stage that krita is now, development was like builders on heat - very vigorous. development tends to slow down the more complex and complete the project is. when krita one day becomes as developed and mature as gimp is now, gimp would have moved much further on...ad infinitum. krita will NEVER EVER be a gimp killer. it will never even come close. get out of those clouds and stop dreaming. end of story.

superstoned 02-03-2006 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
krita a "gimp killer"? are you kiddin'? last time(ie last week) i reviewed krita, it seemed like somoene had chopped its head, its arms and its legs off. 'killer', my left nostril :D. you fail to take into consideration the fact that development is rarely uniform. when gimp was the same stage that krita is now, development was like builders on heat - very vigorous. development tends to slow down the more complex and complete the project is. when krita one day becomes as developed and mature as gimp is now, gimp would have moved much further on...ad infinitum. krita will NEVER EVER be a gimp killer. it will never even come close. get out of those clouds and stop dreaming. end of story.

as i said, try to read a bit about it. if gimp has to become usable for professional work, it needs some features it can't deliver on the current framework. they would have to rewrite a large part of the Gimp, and they won't. krita, on the other hand, already has most of these, and can add the missing easilly. what krita might lack compared to gimp on plugins (and that's where it is mostly lacking, you should really try out the krita beta) can be added.

AntWarrior 02-03-2006 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimVette
I wanted to vote for Gimp, but I could not bring myself to do it, and here's why:

- No layer effects
- If you open a Photoshop file and then save it, you break it
- PDF support is weak compared to Photoshop
- Scaling, rotating, skewing/shearing, etc. all suck in Gimp and are painful compared to Photoshop
- The GUI sucks. There should be an option to enable ALL Gimp windows to come forward when I bring the focus to any one given Gimp window - or at minimum all the palettes. Don't make me hunt for a palette when I had to bring a file manager window forward to move a file. I dislike MDI, but at least Photoshop is not a bear to manage.
- Tablet support is weak compared to Photoshop
- Feather and grow should work like every single other image editor on the planet. Why should I have to relearn feathering and grow(expand) and then screw up when I have to do work in Photoshop because I've grown accustom to The Gimp's eccentricies?
- Why can I not group layers together, have sublayers, etc.?
- Text handling SUCKS in Gimp

I use Gimp all the time but for some things I need to go to another workstation to use Photoshop - particularly for layer effects. Why should an action which takes a max of three mouse clicks on a single layer in Photoshop require 2 to 4 additional layers and about 30 clicks to accomplish, never mind the fact that to back out and change your effect in Photoshop takes just three clicks, while in The Gimp it's simpler to save and version your image? *&%@ ^*&@^(& ^@!% *!&!!!!!!


I agree with you on most things , but I think the window managment issues is something you can get around using Multiple Desktops and the dockable dialogs. It's only the last week that I have finally been able to be productive with gimp. I couldn't get my head around using all the windows and having to bring things backwards and forwards.

Set your monitor to a super high resolution. use left hand side and dock layer,channel ,path dialogs under each other in the tool dialog and o nthe right dock all your palettes , brushes gradients and histograms etc.

This works very nicely for me .

Layer effects and Text ....definitely need improvement

darkhatter 02-03-2006 11:45 AM

they don't have Maya :cry: :cry: :cry:

but gimp is still a great program, still needs some work before I can leave photoshop but its getting there:D :D :D

KimVette 02-03-2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntWarrior
Set your monitor to a super high resolution. use left hand side and dock layer,channel ,path dialogs under each other in the tool dialog and o nthe right dock all your palettes , brushes gradients and histograms etc.

screen #0:
print screen: no
dimensions: 3840x1440 pixels (806x302 millimeters)
resolution: 121x121 dots per inch

Still a pain in the ass with multiple images open. :( Add in a few browser windows, an email client (kmail), obligatory MP3 player ;), and Quanta+, even at that resolution multitasking becomes a PITA.

Quote:

This works very nicely for me .

Layer effects and Text ....definitely need improvement

cyrilleberger 02-04-2006 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
krita a "gimp killer"? are you kiddin'? last time(ie last week) i reviewed krita, it seemed like somoene had chopped its head, its arms and its legs off. 'killer', my left nostril :D. you fail to take into consideration the fact that development is rarely uniform. when gimp was the same stage that krita is now, development was like builders on heat - very vigorous. development tends to slow down the more complex and complete the project is. when krita one day becomes as developed and mature as gimp is now, gimp would have moved much further on...ad infinitum. krita will NEVER EVER be a gimp killer. it will never even come close. get out of those clouds and stop dreaming. end of story.

But you are right, krita isn't a "gimp killer", and will never be, it is definitively not what we want. As you may know, The Gimp means "The Gimp Image Manipulation Program", and as it name states it is intended to manipulate images, and it does a fair job at it. Now, krita means in swedish painting (while rita means drawing). So while krita will have some (or maybe a lot) of functions for image manipulation, it's not targeted to fully replace the gimp ever.

segin 02-04-2006 08:53 AM

gimp and ImageMagick. 50/50.

LordSurvivoR 02-04-2006 03:15 PM

@cyrilleberger:
Quote:

GNU Image Manipulation Program, a freeware graphics editing program for UNIX and X operating system; also called "The Gimp."
GIMP = GNU Image Manipulation Program
not The Gimp Image Manipulation Program ;)

Ingres 02-05-2006 05:19 AM

Is there any software in Linux which replaces Macromedia Fireworks? I almost do every image job in FW and export slices for web authoring. I really love FW for its slices and text manupilation.

I feel I can replace Dreamweaver with Nvu. If I can find for FW, I can fully migrate to Linux.

(I don't like GIMP or Photoshop, anyway)


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