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nooby 08-16-2008 09:20 AM

Ubuntu as frugal install, iso install, img install? impossible?
Ubuntu as frugal install, iso install, img install? impossible?

I've used google and searched the net to find example how one
set up the grub menu.lst to do a frugal install of ubuntu.

I will try Linux Mint but also xubuntu and other smaller ubuntus

I've only found one example on it and I asked in the Ubuntu forum
about it but got no answer. Maybe they don't like frugal install.

Most linux users seems to prefer to do "real" or "full" install
and they maybe see frugal install as not worthy a real linux user.

I prefer to do frugal install. So it would be cool to have ubuntu too
and linux mint and other debian versions.

What search word would most likely help me find needed info on how to?

The one I found have a special id code that that distro version he used
had. I don't trust the Linux Mint has the same id or that the latest
Ubuntu 8.10.01 or something has same id code at all.

So does it always need the id code, none other linux needs that?

What is so different with ubuntu?


title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic (recovery mode)

root (hd0,5)

kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=5d64478e-4b2e-4c06-a74f-1a06d77a03fa ro single

initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic
what is this about?

GlennsPref 08-18-2008 02:58 AM

I googled frugal install

Here ya go,

nooby 08-18-2008 03:31 AM

Yes but unfortunately DSL which is a Knoppix inspired small distro
doesn't recognize my ethernet card. The big Knoppix and Kanotix failed too. So DSL is not unique in that way. But Nimblex and vector and Zen and Linux Mint took the ethernet card without problem.

I already have Puppy, Zenwalk, Vector, Nimblex, and other slackware inspired distros.

Now I want to do same kind of install for Ubuntu so I want to know
what the UUID is there for. What does it do? Has it to do with
updates? Does Linux Mint also have a unique UUID number?

GlennsPref 08-18-2008 06:47 AM

That is a function of fstab, and can be replaced with the mount point volume name or hardware address /dev/sdb5 , for example.

I think minix ,etc, will make their own references to the devices.

Cheers, Glenn

arochester 08-18-2008 07:47 AM

"Ubuntu as frugal install, iso install, img install? impossible? "

Have a look at

nooby 08-18-2008 09:09 AM

GlennsPref, I look into it Thanks. Sounds reassuring.

arochester, I take a look at the link. But it says up front
that it is a installation iso and not a live iso.

It would not allow me to do a frugal install but maybe
I can use it under other circumstances than doing frugal.

Frugal install seems so alien so most users of linux
fail to get what it is. Only those who have it already
knows about it. I'm not criticising you but I doubt that
iso allow me to do frugal unless I unpack and add something
making it a live is first. That is beyong my current know how.

At the moment my harddrive has stopped working so that
is highest priority just now. Fortunately my many live
Cd let me use internet regardless of hd or not.

GlennsPref 08-18-2008 11:48 AM

nooby 08-18-2008 12:43 PM

Glenn, maybe that pdf works for somebody very good at reading such text.

I have now frugal install with Nimblex, Zenwalk, Vector, Goblinx, Puppy and many more
but I would have not been able to do any of all those I have now by following that
description. Much too difficult unless you already know or are very good at reading such.

Sorry. I appreciate your willingness to help though.

Take a look at what I cited above. Would that work for Linux Mint?


title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic (recovery mode)
root (hd0,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=5d64478e-4b2e-4c06-a74f-1a06d77a03fa ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic
Take what you suggested to use instead of UUID.

/dev/(device) In my example I have sda1 or hda1 So it would be


and maybe like this?

title LinuxMint
root (hd0,0)
kernel /linuxmint/vmlinuz from=/dev/sda1/linuxmint/LinuxMint-5-r1.iso vga=791
initrd /linuxmint/initrd.gz

or like this

title LinuxMint
root (hd0,0)
kernel /linuxmint/vmlinuz from=/mnt/hda1/linuxmint/LinuxMint-5-r1.iso vga=791
initrd /linuxmint/initrd.gz

some want dev and some want mnt I have noe clue on why some what this and other that.

Are there nobody who cared to make easy to follow explanations for when it is dev and
when it is mnt?

If there is none then I will sooner or later try to make such text. Later I guess,
as a noob one are not the best to do such descriptions. One know too little.

GlennsPref 08-19-2008 08:05 AM

nooby 08-19-2008 03:21 PM

Glenn, jay, very informative. Sad nobody have told me such things before.
So then Ubuntu don't really need the uuid at all as you said. It is only
a much safer way to keep track of the hardware for the software. It find
the right one even if one rearrange things hardware vice.

But ubuntu must be different in other ways then. Cause when I search using
google I find utterly few example of menu.lst examples on how to do frugal.

Ubuntu is famous for their free "live" cd and other distros with live cd
seems not so hard to get going frugally. Only saving could be problematic.

GlennsPref 08-19-2008 08:55 PM

Well, I thought your grub file might work, I can't find it now, but a few days ago I came across a page that talked about making a rescue floppy from your own linux install, and it talked about grub and lilo. It can be done.

See how you go, regards, Glenn

GlennsPref 08-19-2008 09:10 PM

(oops, double post) sorry, GW

nooby 08-20-2008 02:49 AM

I will test it some day but my hard disk show signs on giving in so
have to concentrate on chosing what to back up and what to scrap from it.

After that is done I will just see what happens if one try using ls as a
way to get what numbers my set up have as UUID. And use it and see if it
try to do a full install or just a frugal one. What is it that determine that? A script?

jay73 08-20-2008 12:35 PM

I would disagree that no other iso needs uuid. The latest Fedora uses it too. It has been introduced to counter the troubles that result from the switch to libata, which makes hdx appear as sdx. Personally, I like to (re)LABEL my partitions.

nooby 08-20-2008 01:15 PM

I didn't make any bookmarks but I read yesterday that ***Debian Live Project had used UUID but for one version they stopped using it but it could be me not getting it. ***

*** is my way to show me is kind of not sure about the accuracy of my memory.

Here is a comment on it, that I found doing a hasty search?
It support my take that it is not as easy as they say.


Label vs UUID vs Device
that text mention most likely same or similar questions me read about.


Someone asked on a mailing list about the issues related to whether to use a label, UUID, or device name for /etc/fstab.

The first thing to consider is where the names come from. The UUID is assigned automatically by mkfs or mkswap, so you have to discover it after the filesystem or swap space has been made (or note it during the mkfs/mkswap process). For the ext2/3 filesystems the command “tune2fs -l DEVICE” will display the UUID and label (strangely mke2fs uses the term “label” while the output of tune2fs uses the term “volume name“). For a swap space I don’t know of any tool that can extract the UUID and name. On Debian (Etch and Unstable) the file command does not display the UUID for swap spaces or ext2/3 filesystems and does not display the label for ext2/3 filesystems. After I complete this blog post I will file a bug report.
He take up more such situations where one could have problem finding the UUID before it is established?

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