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jymmi 02-07-2007 06:21 PM

Terminal Root....
(Ubuntu 6.06 LTS)

When I go to Terminal, I see the following:


Now when I type su, it will ask for password, I type in my password that I created during installation, and for some reason, it will say that it is invalid.

Is this because I am already login as Root?


fukawi2 02-07-2007 06:29 PM

Ubuntu doesn't assign a password to the root account by default, which means the account is not available. You need to use the sudo command instead.

To login as root at the terminal:

sudo su -
To assign a password to root so you can su 'as normal':

sudo passwd root
Don't forget when sudo asks for password, that's YOUR password, not root's password :)

jymmi 02-07-2007 06:51 PM

I did try sudo as well, but it would give me the help listing of add on commands.

That would explain it then.

Will try for sure.


fragos 02-07-2007 07:14 PM

su vs sudo is one of those things that linux lovers love to argue over. Ubuntu believes that entering sudo before each command improves security because the machine isn't left in root state. I came from SuSE and "su". At first sudo seemed a little strange because it was different than what I'd become accustomed to. I'm now quite comfortable with sudo. One thing you may not realize is that when you use a series of commands with sudo, only the first asks for the password. There's a timer on this, perhaps 15 minutes. I recommend you try things the Ubuntu way to experience it before breaking with what the distribution creators recommend. Along that same issue, I recommend that you become familiar with Synaptic and Ubuntu repositories before becoming dependent on CLI methods like apt-get.

fukawi2 02-07-2007 07:23 PM

Here here... Couldn't agree more. :)

I think the timeout is set by PAM... Not sure what the default in Ubuntu is - feels closer to 5 minutes than 15, but I could be wrong...

pixellany 02-07-2007 09:34 PM

Just for completeness, I totally disagree with the Ubuntu approach. IMHO, anyone that can learn a few CLI moves can learn to type su, followed by a password--and then not do something stupid.

fukawi2 02-07-2007 09:38 PM

And conversely, anyone can learn to automatically type "sudo" before a stupid CLI command, so that make the 'protection' redundant also :)

aysiu 02-07-2007 10:55 PM

You can read all about the pros and cons here:

By the way, to "log in as root," you can just do

sudo -s
No need to set a separate root password.

jymmi 02-07-2007 11:03 PM

That worked fine,
Problem number 1 solved, that work well.

The reason I wanted to do this is to install a untarred program, that is in its own folder, on my desktop, the folder name is Nvu. (program called Nvu)

However when I try to change directory to get into the folder I keep getting a, "Folder or Directory does not exist".

I can get as far as /home/james/ , thats it. When I use Konquer, it is there in plain view.
But I can not get into the folder using Terminal so that I can make the program.

make install

pixellany 02-07-2007 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by fukawi2
And conversely, anyone can learn to automatically type "sudo" before a stupid CLI command, so that make the 'protection' redundant also :)

AND---anytime you set out to make something idiot-proof, I will find you 10 idiots who can still break it.

So there...;)

oldmartian 02-26-2007 11:29 AM

Let me get this straight. With super hackers out there anyone can possibly get into my computer to do bad things. But I own the computer and I'm the only one who can't get into my computer.

I've got Kubuntu and I'm just setting up and every turn I make I get a denial unless I go into administrator mode and type in my own password (I'm the owner and sole user, remember) and I get a denial because I don't have a password.

All these excuses in the newsgroups, this web-site and so forth give me excuses...

Why isn't someone from Linux sitting beside me protecting my computer from me? I could do something equally dangerous, like throwing my computer out and buying an Apple?


Will someone please make me happy that abandoned Windows for Linux? Sorry for the rant, but I want to use my computer, and can't.


fragos 02-26-2007 02:50 PM

The password requested is your personal password. I can see you have been a SuSE 10.1 user and may be accustomed to having to become root to perform administration. Ubuntu and its derivatives take a different approach which eliminates root logins and replaces them with group membership in the "admin" group. As the person that installed you are by default the only member of this group. The purpose of this approach is to limit the amount of time root privileges are active. Use your personal password when requested and you will become accustomed to this approach -- I did.

fukawi2 02-26-2007 04:59 PM

What you are getting frustrated with is a feature specific to Ubunutu (and Ubuntu based) distributions - I dare say there are other also, but I can't think of them off the top of my head...

The whole beauty of Linux - if it doesn't suit you, you are free to choose another distribution that does suit you :)

As fragos said, you'll get used to it... I was originally a RedHat / Fedora user and it frustrated the hell out of me "not" having a root account and having to enter my own password when I wanted to administer my computer. It took less than 2 weeks to get used to "the Ubuntu way" :)

Quakeboy02 02-26-2007 05:30 PM

Or, you could switch to Debian. ;)

oldmartian 02-26-2007 05:31 PM

I'll try to stop whining, but when I see many references to solving problems by opening a terminal and going to the root.

I try it and it wants a password. I enter my personal password and it's invalid. It makes me feel like I'm sneaking into my own house.

So instead I just type sudo -i and at the prompt I enter my personal password.

Well, that's certainly seems more secure than typing su and then entering a root password. :Pengy:

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