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tEh Bàsíq 03-18-2006 12:49 PM

kde?
 
does ubuntu come in kde?

reddazz 03-18-2006 12:56 PM

No, it only has GNOME. You can install KDE by doing "apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop". You can also just download Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu.

mips13 03-24-2006 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by reddazz
No, it only has GNOME. You can install KDE by doing "apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop". You can also just download Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu.

That is definitely not correct.

There are more than one version of Ubuntu(Ubuntu+Gnome). You get Kubuntu (Ubuntu+KDE), Edubuntu. Xubuntu (Ubuntu+Xfce4) is a community driven project.

Go to the Ubuntulinux home page and look on the right hand side for versions available.


All of the above are identical except for the Desktop/Windows manager they come with, the underlying system is the same. They are developed by the same team but the responsibility for the Gnome/KDE stuff lies with different team project leads. Like I said Xubuntu is a community driven project and not a official version as such.

All of the above will allow you to install additional desktop/window managers as you please and you can swap between them. The other option is to do a server install and then install X11+your desktop of choice+applications.

Hope this clarifies some things.

reddazz 03-24-2006 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mips13
That is definitely not correct.

There are more than one version of Ubuntu(Ubuntu+Gnome). You get Kubuntu (Ubuntu+KDE), Edubuntu. Xubuntu (Ubuntu+Xfce4) is a community driven project.

Go to the Ubuntulinux home page and look on the right hand side for versions available.


All of the above are identical except for the Desktop/Windows manager they come with, the underlying system is the same. They are developed by the same team but the responsibility for the Gnome/KDE stuff lies with different team project leads. Like I said Xubuntu is a community driven project and not a official version as such.

All of the above will allow you to install additional desktop/window managers as you please and you can swap between them. The other option is to do a server install and then install X11+your desktop of choice+applications.

Hope this clarifies some things.

Did you actually read and understand my post? Ubuntu does not ship with KDE by default, it ships with GNOME but Kubuntu ships with KDE by default, so how is my post incorrect? As for the various versions of Ubuntu, yes I know about their existence and thats why I suggested two ways the original poster can get KDE.

aysiu 03-24-2006 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by reddazz
Did you actually read and understand my post? Ubuntu does not ship with KDE by default, it ships with GNOME but Kubuntu ships with KDE by default, so how is my post incorrect? As for the various versions of Ubuntu, yes I know about their existence and thats why I suggested two ways the original poster can get KDE.

What you outlined in your original post was correct from a practical standpoint. Conceptually, it's misleading, because it makes it sound as if Ubuntu and Kubuntu are separate distros. Kubuntu is Ubuntu, just with KDE instead of Gnome. Your phrasing may be what threw off mips, not your content.

reddazz 03-24-2006 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aysiu
What you outlined in your original post was correct from a practical standpoint. Conceptually, it's misleading, because it makes it sound as if Ubuntu and Kubuntu are separate distros. Kubuntu is Ubuntu, just with KDE instead of Gnome. Your phrasing may be what threw off mips, not your content.

Personally I don't see how the content can be conceptually misleading in the way that you described because there is no mention whatsoever about Kubuntu and Ubuntu being seperate distros. Maybe the misunderstanding is due to the different ways we understand English semantics.

Kleedrac 03-24-2006 10:08 AM

Depending on your point of view I suppose Ubuntu/Kubuntu could be considered different distros as realistically one could be a fan of one and not the other :) Either way I think this arguement is kind of counter-productive, I'd say you guys should agree to disagree :)

aysiu 03-24-2006 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by reddazz
Personally I don't see how the content can be conceptually misleading in the way that you described because there is no mention whatsoever about Kubuntu and Ubuntu being seperate distros. Maybe the misunderstanding is due to the different ways we understand English semantics.

I understood you perfectly well. I'm just trying to think from mips' point of view.

If you take it from a certain standpoint, this exchange could give the impression they're separate distros:

Does Ubuntu come in KDE?
No, it only has Gnome.

You do tack on at the end that you can download Kubuntu also. I suppose the response mips might have found less potentially misleading might have been:

Does Ubuntu come in KDE?
Yes, but it's not called Ubuntu--the KDE flavor it comes in is called Kubuntu.

thekid 03-24-2006 10:51 AM

Truthfully, I have to agree with aysiu because you have to take into account a noob's newbieness, and make things very clear. I understand what you are saying, but someone who hasn't been around as long may think that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are 2 different distros because of how you said it. You weren't wrong in what you said, merely the way it was said and the perception it will provide to others.

reddazz 03-24-2006 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aysiu
I understood you perfectly well. I'm just trying to think from mips' point of view.

If you take it from a certain standpoint, this exchange could give the impression they're separate distros:

Does Ubuntu come in KDE?
No, it only has Gnome.

You do tack on at the end that you can download Kubuntu also. I suppose the response mips might have found less potentially misleading might have been:

Does Ubuntu come in KDE?
Yes, but it's not called Ubuntu--the KDE flavor it comes in is called Kubuntu.

You've put it in a better way although it could be debatable in some quarters whether Ubuntu and Kubuntu are one and the same just because they share the same base and developers. The problem still comes down to English semantics and perception of intent. Anyway enough said, lets move on to something else. :)

aysiu 03-24-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by reddazz
Anyway enough said, lets move on to something else. :)

Cool. Let's do that.

mips13 03-25-2006 05:46 AM

Geez, sorry people.

I will definately put it down to semantics. I read it differently.

Anyway lets move on.

Cheers
mips


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