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Old 07-18-2005, 02:02 AM   #1
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Does Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE, or not?

In a previous posting on 5/7/05, Groovielab said, "OK I have learned something serious. I chose KDE, as do many newbies to linux land and Kubuntu's flashy graphics. I WAS DEAD WRONG. Don't get me wrong KDE is nice and pretty, but GNOME with UBUNTU is far more integrated and mature. Kubuntu should not have been released, or not put on equal footing.

"Synaptic, Ubuntu's hardware detection, and many other features (like the hardware database button for UBTUNTU) show Kubuntu is not fully integrated YET. When the smooth integration and continuity and polish reach Ubuntu's bastard KDE cousin we'll talk, but for now GNOME and Ubuntu fulfilled even what Kubuntu (which I thought I loved) could not.

"Kubuntu needs to mature, it needs more time, lets not gives newbies the impression that Ubuntu works or has the same flaws, because Ubuntu is polished gold and Kubuntu is tarnished silver as of yet."


I thought that Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE. Is this not true? Are there significant differences between the two other than the GUI? I'm using Kubuntu because I prefer KDE, but I've been having problems installing and running deb packages. K3b freezes up when I attempt to burn a CD and I haven't been able to fix the problem. I downloaded three other CD burner packages using Symaptic and tried them out. Two of them wouldn't install and the third installed but wouldn't burn a CD.

If there are significant differences in the two distributions, as Groovielab says, could my problems be with Kubuntu only. If this is the case, I'd much prefer to run Ubuntu and live with Gnome. The GUI isn't that big of a deal.

On the other hand, if the two distributions are alike except for the GUI, then maybe I sould switch to some other distribution. If so, what distribution is likely to be most user frindly to a newbie and most likely to be bug free?

Thanks for your comments.
Old 07-18-2005, 02:22 AM   #2
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Yes, but its just like you quoted. The Kubuntu distro isn't as polished and nicely integrated as Gnome is. I've had better success installed regular Ubuntu (which has gnome) then installing KDE onto it. It sounds dumb, but it seems to work better for me, plus I get the libraries that KDE and Gnome use so I don't worry about if an application was designed for one of the window managers.
Old 07-18-2005, 02:23 AM   #3
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According to Kubuntu's website: "Kubuntu is the first Ubuntu derived distribution. Our Kubuntu CDs are made up of Ubuntu's base plus KDE. You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages (and removing the Gnome packages) from the Ubuntu archives."
Old 07-18-2005, 11:10 AM   #4
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Let Me Sharpen My Questions

Because of the responses to my posting, I'd like to reframe my questions:

1) Is Ubuntu + KDE identical to Kubantu + Gnome? That is, if I were to install Gnome on Kubuntu would my system be identical to musicman_ace's system (except for the personal configuration preferences, of course)?

2) What does "The Kubuntu distro isn't as polished and nicely integrated as Gnome is" mean? Is Kubuntu likely causing the CD burner and other installation problems I'm having, and if so, is it likely that installing Ubuntu will eliminate these problems?

Thanks for all your comments!
Old 07-18-2005, 12:06 PM   #5
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i used to have ubuntu+kde installed on my pc, but then i decided to reformat and try some other distro's. i came back and this time decided to try kubuntu, rather than kde on top of ubuntu. i'm still using it as my main os, and i haven't had any major problems. i had a few problems with ubuntu+kde, but i haven't really had any on kubuntu.

i'm still not getting why everyone's having problems with kubuntu, personally i had more with ubuntu+kde.
Old 07-18-2005, 12:48 PM   #6
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Kubuntu = ubuntu - gnome + kde

If you install ubuntu, and type apt-get install kubuntu-desktop you now have kde, and you can install kubuntu and type apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to get gnome.
Old 07-22-2005, 01:37 AM   #7
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I use Ubuntu Hoary (not Kubuntu) and wanted to run Kate text editor (which is a KDE app). So installing Kate installed some KDE libs (konsole, etc, etc), but I'm still in Gnome.

If you just want to run some KDE apps, you can easily do it from Ubuntu Gnome.
Old 08-22-2005, 10:11 PM   #8
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but if you are looking for the multimedia of kde you can not run that threw gnome
Old 08-23-2005, 07:57 PM   #9
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No, you can run any program in any DE/WM, you just need the required libs.

If you install gnome and then apt-get install amarok, which is a multimedia app, you can run that in gnome also, or fluxbox or windowmaker for that matter.


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