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Old 05-23-2014, 03:18 PM   #31
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Did you happen to notice something called "Google Chrome" and its impact upon the number of Firefox users? Of course a browser is built for people to use that's exactly why the Mozilla team feel forced to do what they are.
Anybody who currently uses a non-free plugin to watch video will be lost to other browsers if the Mozilla team don't do what they have or something equally difficult conscience-wise.
And because Mozilla is funded primarily by Google. I don't think "conscience" has any place here.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 03:25 PM   #32
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And because Mozilla is funded primarily by Google. I don't think "conscience" has any place here.
I don't see how including DRM is "being part of Google's plan" any more than not including it and being an also-ran like Opera (an no offence to Opera as, while I don't use it much, I always mention it as a choice and wish they had more success).
I think this has nothing to do with Google and everything to do with the MP Ass of America and the likes and their absolute stance.
Anyone not wanting to see DRM in HTML5 ought to stop spending any money with any studios who are forcing DRM onto the web and stop with all the "Google made them do it" conspiracy. If you've ever bought a ticket for, rented or bought the DVD of a movie or TV series it's likely you've paid for the lawyers who are forcing this decision upon the web (yes, I am one of you).
 
Old 05-23-2014, 04:15 PM   #33
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You have no right to feel forced because you can opt out.
I cannot opt out of having the non-free sandbox installed, and I cannot opt out of the huge advancement of the various DRM agendas, and corresponding losses to existing freedoms, that will inevitably result.

BTW - I doubt that I have ever thanked you for your online Slackware resources, particularly your font and unicode setup article(s). Much referenced and useful - please accept a sincere "Thank you!"

Now if only you could be convinced of the evils of IP and its consequences... all in good time.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 04:37 PM   #34
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I cannot opt out of having the non-free sandbox installed
The sandbox itself will be free and open source.

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BTW - I doubt that I have ever thanked you for your online Slackware resources, particularly your font and unicode setup article(s). Much referenced and useful - please accept a sincere "Thank you!"
You're welcome.

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Now if only you could be convinced of the evils of IP and its consequences... all in good time.
Well, you know what they say about that: never say never.

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Old 05-23-2014, 04:43 PM   #35
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So everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy now ? I must be some type of terrorist for thinking that Mozilla's number 1 contributor is influencing their decisions, including UI and DRM. I can't even tell the latest Firefox and Chrome apart. I guess it is just coincidence.

Fine, I'll shut up and leave this thread, but I will mention this again the next time such an influence occurs, and it shouldn't be too long.
 
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This is the oldest and most deeply rooted conflict, the singular foundation of Free Software as a movement, and therefore the origin point of all software freedoms that we currently enjoy, however briefly.

It is also the most divisive and polarizing, so it is not very useful to any of us to continue this "Is not!", "Is too!" exchange.

So allow me to summarize my own perspective on all things IP related, particularly inclusion of an active DRM snakebox in my browser, by the words of a favorite hit song from my '60s high school days... find a non-DRM'd copy online while you still can...

Al Wilson – The Snake

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On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Poor thing," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"

She wrapped him up all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk
She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taken to had been revived

She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite

"I saved you," cried the woman
"And you've bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"

"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in

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Old 05-23-2014, 04:47 PM   #37
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So everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy now ?
"Google made them do it" is definitely an unfounded conspiracy theory.
 
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So everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy now ? I must be some type of terrorist for thinking that Mozilla's number 1 contributor is influencing their decisions, including UI and DRM. I can't even tell the latest Firefox and Chrome apart. I guess it is just coincidence.

Fine, I'll shut up and leave this thread, but I will mention this again the next time such an influence occurs, and it shouldn't be too long.
Did you even read my post?
 
Old 05-24-2014, 01:12 AM   #39
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Anyone know why if Google had the explicit goal of "extinguishing" Mozilla/Firefox they would continue to fund them?
 
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Anyone know why if Google had the explicit goal of "extinguishing" Mozilla/Firefox they would continue to fund them?
I think the conspiracy theory is that the goal is not "extinguishing" Firefox but rather controlling it.
 
Old 05-24-2014, 01:55 PM   #41
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I think the conspiracy theory is that the goal is not "extinguishing" Firefox but rather controlling it.
I can't seem to come up with a why. Besides pointing at Google.com by default, it's not terribly useful of a thing to control. If the goal is for Google and Mozilla to throw their weight around, then it's not doing a good job there, Mozilla was the last one to give into adding hooks for this EME/DRM thing.

The UI/UX design process is remarkably open if you care to go look, and if those people who work on it like elements of Chrome then more power to them and if it's good design then I hope they steal it. There's no reason to grow some wildly different UI for the sake of it, you can have all of that type of stuff via plugins or add-ons. When I scanned the design discussion, there weren't any posts like, "Google says to make it look like Chrome! Or else!" It wasn't like that at all.

So, I'm really interested in how Google is controlling Mozilla in any bad way. If all they've done is help get rid of Flash and make the UI better, then what's the problem? There's a possibility that they may do something bad, but that risk is in every project, so until we see it, it's not constructive to worry about it. There's other browsers, code to be forked, and a zillion options should the day come when Firefox is truly a sinking ship, but this isn't it.

To anyone getting upset because there's a sandbox for the DRM to live in, there was already a broken sandbox for Flash to sit and make a mess in. If this new tiny DRM lock that's stripped of doing much more than validating some content so upsets you, I sure hope your blood was previously boiling and you weren't even thinking of using Firefox in the first place. The snake's bed was already in your house, to continue with that contrived metaphor.

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Old 08-12-2014, 12:05 PM   #42
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google's widevine cdm is available in windows, mac and android, so it's just a matter of time.
I'm just updating this thread to say that cyncwulf (and others) were right and I was wrong.

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