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Old 10-20-2010, 10:40 PM   #1
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LXer: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat: One Hit, One Miss


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Ubuntu 10.10, aka “Maverick Meerkat” was released recently, and according to the Ubuntu home page, the perfect 10 is here. For those not familiar with Ubuntu’s release cycle, this one is a short-term support release which will be patched and modified up until it eventually morphs into the next long term release about six months from now.

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Old 10-20-2010, 11:22 PM   #2
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I have Ubuntu 10.10 on an Acer Aspire One (albeit probably an older one than you tested), and it works flawlessly and has been since the Pre-Alpha.
 
Old 10-20-2010, 11:57 PM   #3
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I've got 10.10 installed in vbox and at least there it runs like #@$% with a captial #, I'm also having almost identical problems with mint9. pcBSD FreeBSD, XP, minix (from what I can tell because it's beyond me anyway), and Windows7 all work great in the vm and XP is actually faster than on bare metal for many things. Ubuntu 10.10 and to a lesser extent 10.04, and Mint 9 fluxbox edition are all unstable and SLOW!. I also found out that apt-get/synaptic have some SERIOUS flaws. Trying to install Gnome, which depends on swfdec-mozilla (for something to do with flash I guess?), but the package managers can't find swfdec-mozilla so they won't install because a stupid OPTIONAL dependency is missing, even though I can install it by itself with apt-get. Then it goes on from there. It was truely ridiculous since GNOME IS THE DEFAULT WM, but that's Mint and I'll digress.... Still though. I could have almost BUILT gnome from source on my Slackbox in the amount of time that fiasco took. I could definitely have installed it from packages in an eighth the time..................But again, I digress.

<mumble>Stupid dependency tracking package manager...</mumble>

EDIT: and the GUI tools for setting up printing via cups failed too. Luckily the 6 GUI screens are only 2 lines in a text file.

<mumble></mumble>

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Old 10-21-2010, 12:50 AM   #4
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You can't be serious. For me, the package manager works fine -- although I do have btrfs to blame for a very *HIGH* CPU overhead when it is running. However, no, no dependency problems -- and the default GNOME desktop works fine. Besides, for Ubuntu, this would work (if you DIDN'T have GNOME as the default DE):

Code:
$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

#*NOT* this
$ sudo apt-get install gnome
The difference is this: Ubuntu-desktop essentially is a metapackage for Ubuntu's version of GNOME, not the default GNOME. The 'gnome' metapackage is different: It installs just a basic GNOME installation, without Ambiance, Indicator Applet, the Software Center, or anything else like that.

On top of that, even though the 'gnome' metapackage may have depended on swfdec-mozilla, I seriously doubt ubuntu-desktop would. Why? If it's not on the default Ubuntu Live CD, ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on it.

And besides, last I checked, swfdec-mozilla *IS* in the Ubuntu repositories. However, I prefer the proprietary Flash player anyway. Swfdec is a poor half-baked implementation of it.

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Old 10-21-2010, 06:37 AM   #5
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No problems so far with the Ubuntu Netbook Remix (10.04) on my Asus eeepc 1001HA. I didn't have to install the Gnome desktop, it was already installed, available in the Session manager. The LTS Ubuntus are always better (after a month or so) than the strict schedule releases.
 
Old 10-21-2010, 06:57 AM   #6
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Yeah, I agree, brianL. LTS is *ALWAYS* better (but maybe with the exception of 10.04 involving the replacement of USplash with Plymouth and its dependency ties with the entire system -- something Robin dearly hates).
 
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The problem was that IT WAS in the repos. Synaptic didn't know that, and apt-get wouldn't install gnome without it, but
Code:
sudo apt-get install swfdec-mozilla
worked, but then it had problems with other things. My point being that it NEVER should have failed over an OPTIONAL dependency. That's just a ridiculous behavior. But like I said, my only problem with Ubuntu is that it runs like crap in my vm compared to everything else. Mint9 was where I was having the synaptic issues, but both distros would have the same behavior even if it didn't manifest in both distros' repositories since it's the behavior of apt/synaptic, in the same situation they would behave the same. It's a turn-off. Having said that, once I got gnome installed things seemed to move along better. May just be an issue with the fluxbox edition, but with the buntus fluxbox is almost mandatory due to their relative lagginess even on bare metal.
 
Old 10-21-2010, 10:18 PM   #8
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I've got 10.10 installed in vbox and at least there it runs like #@$% with a captial #
I take it your system's CPU doesn't have VT-x/AMD-V support? Yeah, software virtualization's a b****. I even read some of the technical docs on how it works...it's doing the best it can to make everything go smoothly, but it still can't manage to make things run acceptably fast (for any modern OS, that is ). VT-x, from what I've read in the VBox docs, basically provides an entirely new context space for the VM to run in (it's almost like the VM is running on another processor, but it's not really; it's more to do with a sort of "context-switching" between a "guest mode" and a "host mode"). All I really know for sure is that it cuts hypervisor overhead down to near nil.
 
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I take it your system's CPU doesn't have VT-x/AMD-V support? Yeah, software virtualization's a b****. I even read some of the technical docs on how it works...it's doing the best it can to make everything go smoothly, but it still can't manage to make things run acceptably fast (for any modern OS, that is ). VT-x, from what I've read in the VBox docs, basically provides an entirely new context space for the VM to run in (it's almost like the VM is running on another processor, but it's not really; it's more to do with a sort of "context-switching" between a "guest mode" and a "host mode"). All I really know for sure is that it cuts hypervisor overhead down to near nil.
My CPU has vt-x and I've enabled pae as well. Everything else runs great, it's something about Ubuntu specifically. But I digress.
 
Old 10-22-2010, 06:19 PM   #10
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The problem was that IT WAS in the repos. Synaptic didn't know that, and apt-get wouldn't install gnome without it, but
Code:
sudo apt-get install swfdec-mozilla
worked, but then it had problems with other things. My point being that it NEVER should have failed over an OPTIONAL dependency. That's just a ridiculous behavior. But like I said, my only problem with Ubuntu is that it runs like crap in my vm compared to everything else. Mint9 was where I was having the synaptic issues, but both distros would have the same behavior even if it didn't manifest in both distros' repositories since it's the behavior of apt/synaptic, in the same situation they would behave the same. It's a turn-off. Having said that, once I got gnome installed things seemed to move along better. May just be an issue with the fluxbox edition, but with the buntus fluxbox is almost mandatory due to their relative lagginess even on bare metal.
This is one reason I prefer pacman over apt-get, and Arch over Ubuntu. What's holding me back is (1) that Ubuntu is so popular despite its crappiness, (2) that Arch doesn't have Network Manager by default (thankfully I can chroot into my external hard drive from Ubuntu to install Network Manager and GNOME in general as a way of fixing that problem), and (3) that a lot of times I get dropped to a ramfs shell for some odd reason in Arch.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 10:17 PM   #11
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(1) that Ubuntu is so popular despite its crappiness
How is this holding you back? What's so wrong about being different?
 
Old 10-23-2010, 10:46 PM   #12
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I actually now at least can boot to a full multiuser shell in the Arch installation on the 500GB SimpleTech hard drive, but for some reason can't get X to start past twm (even after installing, via pacman, GNOME, GDM, Shotwell, Firefox, Screenlets, LibreOffice, and plenty of other things while chrooted into the drive from Ubuntu) -- see the thread linked to below for details.

Yes, I am really interested in Arch (and do believe it has *GREAT* potential), but so far, help is needed.

Here is the thread:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ry-839885-new/

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