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Old 06-15-2012, 05:00 PM   #1
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LXer: Software Discrimination Is Never The Answer


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Last night, as I was perusing social media, a post from a friend caught my attention. It seems that the web-types at Kogan, an online electronics retailer in Australia and the UK, have tired of the additional work required to support Internet Explorer 7, and to even the score, have imposed a 6.8% tax on shoppers using IE7. While others were celebrating the move, as a Linux user, I was appalled. "What? Appalled? You should be cheering it's a master stroke against evil and outdated software!" No, no it isn't. It's discrimination, and of a type that every Linux user has suffered.

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:08 PM   #2
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I have to agree here. But I say that sites should be built to support standards and if the browser fails then it fails -- that's the browser's fault. Don't check my browser, just serve me standards compliant HTML -- if it fails I'll change browser.
 
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The usual way to handle this (the development cost) would be just raise prices across the board.
 
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People don't care about notices about standard-compliance and serving broken content without any notice/explanation would not bring any good to a company.

Where reason doesn't work, money will! As a web designer, I completely support this initiative. I don't care about equal opportunities for their own sake. Using IE7 in 2012 is irresponsible and just wrong on many levels. Full stop. If you (or your administrator) can't be bothered to upgrade your browser, you'll pay. Having said that, I doubt anyone will actually pay - they will wake up and upgrade/change their browser, which is the desired end goal.
 
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You may have won me over sycamorex, but I'm not sure that asking for money as opposed to just not working is hte answer.
Also, the web has been around for decades now, why do people feel the need to make things more complex when sites like Amazon have been taking money for years?
If I want to buy a book I want to buy a book, not be "surprised" or "engaged" by some clever 3D nonsense.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 05:50 PM   #6
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You may have won me over sycamorex, but I'm not sure that asking for money as opposed to just not working is hte answer.
Also, the web has been around for decades now, why do people feel the need to make things more complex when sites like Amazon have been taking money for years?
If I want to buy a book I want to buy a book, not be "surprised" or "engaged" by some clever 3D nonsense.

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but I'm not sure that asking for money as opposed to just not working is hte answer.
I'm not quite sure they're actually counting on collecting any money. Any sane person will just upgrade/change their browser. Threatening with extra charges might not seem ethical, but it does work. In the "not working" scenario, neither of the parties wins.


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Also, the web has been around for decades now, why do people feel the need to make things more complex when sites like Amazon have been taking money for years?
If I want to buy a book I want to buy a book, not be "surprised" or "engaged" by some clever 3D nonsense.
I support it not because it lets me design more "flashy" websites that can be viewed on more recent browsers. Far from it. I hate bells and whistles. I support it because with each realease IE is getting more and more standard compliant. While there will probably always be some differences in rendering sites by different browsers, IE is infamous for not giving a damn about widely accepted standards. This, however, seems to be slightly changing with more recent releases.

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I support it not because it lets me design more "flashy" websites that can be viewed on more recent browsers. Far from it. I hate bells and whistles. I support it because with each realease IE is getting more and more standard compliant. While there will probably always be some differences in rendering sites by different browsers, IE is infamous for not giving a damn about widely accepted standards. This, however, seems to be slightly changing with more recent releases.
Well, that I do support.
I apologise if I seemed to imply you were only interested in new, flash things. I think I gave too much credit to MS and assumed that IE6 onwards allowed for correctly written sites -- I'm probably being too kind to MS.
I do worry though that spurning a browser will make them look like the sites which denied Firefox access as it wasn't a modern enough version of IE.
I am playing devil's advocate with myself a little here though.

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:02 PM   #8
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Also, the web has been around for decades now, why do people feel the need to make things more complex when sites like Amazon have been taking money for years? If I want to buy a book I want to buy a book, not be "surprised" or "engaged" by some clever 3D nonsense.
You realize that this has almost nothing to do with why IE7 support takes extra work and therefore extra time and therefore extra money, right?
 
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You realize that this has almost nothing to do with why IE7 support takes extra work and therefore extra time and therefore extra money, right?
Since I don't write HTML for a living I don't. Is it that broken? As a consumer of web content I find that the simpler the better and if IE is that broken then I applaud this decision.
 
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Yes, IE7 is that broken, and I also applaud this decision.

The first version of IE to work with valid HTML 4 was IE8.

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Yes, IE7 is that broken, and I also applaud this decision.
Fair enough. I'm glad they're bringing it to people's attention.
 
  


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