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Originally posted by abisko00 You can either find unauthorised copies on bittorrent, or you need to wait until mid of June and you'll find it on any SUSE mirror: http://www.novell.com/products/linux...t_mirrors.html
On the same mirrors you will also find mono-devel for 9.2
I guess I'll wait until mid-june. Right now Free BSD Unix is providing most of what I need, but for some of my workstation users I prefer Suse, it is a nice distribution.
Originally posted by abisko00 You can either find unauthorised copies on bittorrent,
They're actually on there with Suse's blessing. Why does no one read license.txt from the installation DVD?
Sheesh.
Here it is. Again.
Quote:
The Software is a collective work of Novell. You may make and use
unlimited copies of the Software for Your distribution and use within
Your Organization. You may make and distribute unlimited copies of
the Software outside Your organization provided that: 1) You receive
no consideration; and, 2) you do not bundle or combine the Software
with another offering (e.g., software, hardware, or service). The
term "Organization" means a legal entity, excluding subsidiaries and
affiliates with a separate existence for tax purposes or for legal
personality purposes. An example of an Organization in the private
sector would be a corporation, partnership, or trust, excluding any
subsidiaries or affiliates of the organization with a separate tax
identification number or company registration number. In the public
sector, an example of Organization would be a specific government
body or local government authority.
Conclusion? Share away. Buy it if you like it though. You can't beat installing ONE license on 12 machines for $99. Well, you can, by copying it from someone else (by downloading, copying the DVD directly, whatever) but why not support Novell's efforts? Previous versions of Suse did not make these rights so explicit (the legality of copying was always in question) but now, since Novell bought them out, they have made it CRYSTAL-clear that you can share, distribute, copy, etc. providing you receive no compensation. You have to respect that though and I highly recommend buying it.
I would caution upgrading to 9.3 because of my recent experience. After my upgrade, networking stopped working, my zip drive is inaccessible, my 2nd CPU does not seem to be activated and some of the packages I installed previously were lost. I tried to seek help from SuSE free installation support but I was told that almost all of these issues are not included in this service and I must pay.
My upgrade went smoothly (from a very patched 9.1) and it FIXED a networking issue I couldn't previously resolve (e.g., name resolution for my foo.local addresses on my LAN from Linux boxes. WinDoze resolved them just fine.).
I choose the word 'unauthorised' on purpose. If SUSE really wanted their distribution to be spread as ISO, they would do it, don't you think? I did not use the term 'illegal' or 'piracy'. Here I provide another README, that show that the ISO distribution is not an interest of SUSE: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/ftp.sus...images.english
Quote:
...In order to be able to maintain this service in the future, as well as
meeting the accompanying wishes of our customers, we are dependent on
sales of our products and services, and must ensure that an adequate cost
structure exists within our company.
and further:
Quote:
... With our SuSE Linux FTP version (SuSE Linux Professional, excluding
commercial program packages, which we are not allowed to offer on their
own for download) we provide a free service for all those who wish to install
SuSE Linux via FTP. ...
Although english is not my first language, the use of the term 'unauthorised' was quite matching, I think. But I must admit that there might exist better terms. I'll edit my post if you suggest a good one.
EDIT: Just a little footnote on bittorrent ISO's: I suppose they don't provide md5 checksums. How can you be sure that what you receive is SUSE 9.3?
This is all very fascinating to me, the legal issues that is. I read (Novell's) their licensing agreement, and it says what somebody posted above. So we can copy away. In fact, the original license agreement between software written by vendors and linux distributions is that it must be made available for others with the sources, and freely distributable. So, you can copy as much as you want. Developers have spent years putting the majority of the software together on their free time, and they intended it to be public. Distributions are mearly a packaging arrangement of the software. Novell must be thanked also for their efforts by supporting them once in a while. They have made a very nice and simple to use distribution.
I finally made progress on my troubled 8.1 to 9.3 upgrade. It turned out that both my networking card and USB controller drivers are not being loaded automatically.
Things worked well once I manually loaded them. I also observed that my /sbin/hotplug is missing. Could this be the reason why my drivers are not loaded automatically?
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