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Old 11-15-2004, 09:37 AM   #1
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Question Suse 9.1 Pro for server solution?


Hello, I'm trying to evaluate Suse 9.1 Pro as a server solution using PostgreSQL and as a mail server. I'd read somewhere that 9.2 Pro does not have any server components.

I'm looking to replace three RedHat 9 Pro machines.

If anyone out there is using Suse 9.1 Pro as a mail server, Samba server, and/or PostgreSQL, how is it working out for you?

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Old 11-15-2004, 12:47 PM   #2
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i am not using it as a server, i would choose debian for that. but suse should work fine. and if you don't have that software on cd. you can always search on google for rpm's

search for: apache rpm download
or something

-cheers-
 
Old 11-15-2004, 12:54 PM   #3
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Why do you want to use PostgreSQL as a mail server?

Postfix seems to be the choice on most distro's, does SuSE favour this one over the other's.

I found Postfix easy to setup and work -using webmin- on man10 and now need to do the same on SuSE 9.1 so your experience
or problems would be of interest to me.

 
Old 11-15-2004, 01:43 PM   #4
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Quote: "Why do you want to use PostgreSQL as a mail server?"

I will be using a PostgreSQL database for client/server application, and I will be running a mail server on the same box. They don't really have anything to do with one another.
 
Old 11-16-2004, 08:39 PM   #5
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SuSE 9.2 includes all the server components. I am running in right now. It has.....well, I'll let you know in 30 years when YaST loads...lol, that's one thing I hate about SuSE, YaST is really slow. Anyways, now that it has loaded, it shows: MySQL, I believe PostgreSQL (I have heard MySQL is better anyways), lol, any other programs you are looking for....

Why not use Fedora Legacy or Progeny's services and continue using Red Hat 9 for the mean time?
 
Old 11-17-2004, 03:05 AM   #6
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As a server

I have installed several servers using Suse 9.0/9.1

Mail Server/Web Server (HP G3 dual processors, 1 gb ram): Postfix: Installed Jun/04 Runs without a problem. :-)
DBDev(Compaq 3000 duall 333mhz, 884mb ram): MySQL database development server: Installed Aug/04, no issues.
DBProd (same as Mail Server): MySQL database production server: Installed Aug/04, no issues.
NFSTest(same as Mail Server): test file server; no issues with linux just some routing issues to resolve..

So far, I am really impressed with linux. We had relatively few hardware issues and that was with the KVM. All my previous experience has been with netware and os400 with MS client and I only started 'tinkering' with linux 10 months ago. After 4 months without a problem, I am can safely pronounce the installation a success.

Regards,
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Old 11-17-2004, 03:15 AM   #7
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Red Hat Enterprise Linux is probably the best right now. Have you considered a clone, such as White Box or Lineox? You would receive much longer support, almost 5 years....as opposed to 2 years with SUSE. Plus, in my opinion the 2.4 kernel is still more stable than 2.6, although with each new version of 2.6 it is getting better. I was actually quite surprised when Novell rushed the 2.6 kernel into their enterprise edition of Linux, I personally don't think it was ready. Anyways, yeah, you should consider Lineox, CentOS or White Box. If you pay for Lineox, the security updates shouldn't take too long to appear on Lineox's servers after Red Hat releases them.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 07:35 AM   #8
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Thanks for your responses and input!

Going over them --
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Originally posted by ubuntu-addict
SuSE 9.2 includes all the server components. I am running in right now. It has.....well, I'll let you know in 30 years when YaST loads...lol, that's one thing I hate about SuSE, YaST is really slow. Anyways, now that it has loaded, it shows: MySQL, I believe PostgreSQL (I have heard MySQL is better anyways), lol, any other programs you are looking for....

Why not use Fedora Legacy or Progeny's services and continue using Red Hat 9 for the mean time?
Answer: Actually, we installed Suse 9.2 Pro yesterday, and PostgreSQL does not come with it. Our database is built around PostgreSQL, and we prefer it to MySQL for development purposes...so I can't really just move to MySQL... My brother would agree with you about MySQL though.
The reason we don't want to stick with RedHat 9 is because of security issues and trying to keep it up to date. One of our partners had a trojan on his, and it really surprised them. Fedora would be a real pain in trying to maintain. I do like RedHat, but it is not within our budget.

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Originally posted by fthomson
I have installed several servers using Suse 9.0/9.1

Mail Server/Web Server (HP G3 dual processors, 1 gb ram): Postfix: Installed Jun/04 Runs without a problem. :-)
DBDev(Compaq 3000 duall 333mhz, 884mb ram): MySQL database development server: Installed Aug/04, no issues.
DBProd (same as Mail Server): MySQL database production server: Installed Aug/04, no issues.
NFSTest(same as Mail Server): test file server; no issues with linux just some routing issues to resolve..

So far, I am really impressed with linux. We had relatively few hardware issues and that was with the KVM. All my previous experience has been with netware and os400 with MS client and I only started 'tinkering' with linux 10 months ago. After 4 months without a problem, I am can safely pronounce the installation a success.

Regards,
Fred
Answer: We seem to be having issues getting PostgreSQL installed without a hitch, using the tars from the PostgreSQL site, so I'm going to keep trying. My boss, the key developer, is not very happy about how much effort this is taking to make Suse work for us .. so far.

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Originally posted by ubuntu-addict
Red Hat Enterprise Linux is probably the best right now. Have you considered a clone, such as White Box or Lineox? You would receive much longer support, almost 5 years....as opposed to 2 years with SUSE. Plus, in my opinion the 2.4 kernel is still more stable than 2.6, although with each new version of 2.6 it is getting better. I was actually quite surprised when Novell rushed the 2.6 kernel into their enterprise edition of Linux, I personally don't think it was ready. Anyways, yeah, you should consider Lineox, CentOS or White Box. If you pay for Lineox, the security updates shouldn't take too long to appear on Lineox's servers after Red Hat releases them.
Answer: No, I wasn't aware of the clones, but now that you've informed me, I'm going to check them out.

The important issues with a replacement O/S lie mainly in having timely security updates and being able to support PostgreSQL, which I thought wouldn't be a big deal until we tried installing it on Suse 9.2 Pro. I'm going to look at White Box and Lineox this week.

Thanks to all of you for your input! I love this community.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 02:46 PM   #9
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The reason we don't want to stick with RedHat 9 is because of security issues and trying to keep it up to date. One of our partners had a trojan on his, and it really surprised them. Fedora would be a real pain in trying to maintain. I do like RedHat, but it is not within our budget.
www.fedoralegacy.org

They offer free security updates.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 06:19 PM   #10
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I'm really surprised as sources are available from SuSE Ftp for 9.2 and Postgres 7.5.4 is included ...

maybe justt download it and build it from the srpm ... but first verify in YaST, beware of the filter ...
 
Old 11-18-2004, 09:44 AM   #11
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Smile Postfix or Sendmail?

Yes, I saw the src, and my boss had issues trying to install it. I found Postgres 7.4.2 rpms from Suse 9.0 ftp sites, did a forced install, and I think we'll run with that until I can get more time to build from the src on a test machine.

I do love Linux, but it demands a lot of time learning when you're switching between distros...

In the mean time, I've finally got my Suse 9.2 Pro test machine configured as a gateway (using iptables), using the Suse Firewall, vsftpd, PostgreSQL 7.4.2, my 4c server process, and the only thing I have left to do is set up mail. My boss, a diehard Unix expert, prefers to stick with sendmail, but I've been thinking about Postfix.

What are your thoughts on Postfix versus Sendmail?

I haven't set up a mail server before, but I've been digging documentation online, and Postfix looks much easier to setup.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 11:08 AM   #12
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I basically use Postfix as it is SuSE prefered ... so I configure it with YaST, and then edit conf files for special things. Postfix is easily configured to work with antivi and antispam nearly out of the box!

never (managed to) use Sendmail ... toooo complicated

Postfix's conf files are nearly "readable by human", Sendmail's are NOT ...

Postfix has been designed for security, not Sendmail ...

and postfix has a "Sendmail emulation" for interfacing with a wide variety of antivir, antispam ...

MaNU
 
Old 11-18-2004, 12:16 PM   #13
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Postfix and YaST

I've been fooling with Postfix for the past two hours, but I'm kind of lost on this. If you want your Suse machine to be the mail server, how do you do it through YaST?

My FQDN is plq140.domain.com, and I am able to send mail, but not able to receive from my client machine. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. Is postfix or some other service supposed to listen on a port?
 
Old 11-18-2004, 12:20 PM   #14
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Originally posted by eescar
I basically use Postfix as it is SuSE prefered ... so I configure it with YaST, and then edit conf files for special things. Postfix is easily configured to work with antivi and antispam nearly out of the box!

never (managed to) use Sendmail ... toooo complicated

Postfix's conf files are nearly "readable by human", Sendmail's are NOT ...

Postfix has been designed for security, not Sendmail ...

and postfix has a "Sendmail emulation" for interfacing with a wide variety of antivir, antispam ...

MaNU
FYI I can't telnet to port 110, get "connection refused" ...is that the problem?
 
Old 11-18-2004, 12:49 PM   #15
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Hi,

port 110 should accept connections ...

when using YaST, either use the "wizard" in the netwoork tab

or directly modify things with sysconfig editor in the system tab

I use the wizard to configure Postfixs maine role, then check/modify things in sysconfig editor ... and finally end with vi /etc/postfix/main.cf ....

verify postfix is running : rcpostfix status

look at the logs in /var/log/
 
  


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