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Old 12-27-2018, 11:11 AM   #1
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openSUSE Leap 15.1 Alpha


Some weeks ago I upgraded my laptop from OpenSUSE Leap 15 to openSUSE Leap 15.1 Alpha.
Everything works fine, but I get some hundred package updates every week -
last week even over 2000.
Is this normal?
 
Old 12-27-2018, 01:49 PM   #2
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Alpha is an early development stage and there is a lot of development going on so, yes. Alphas are not normally something that should be used on a daily basis, unless you are testing, mainly because the system is not tested except by developers and will probably have issues.
 
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Old 12-29-2018, 01:22 AM   #3
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The new (updated) rpms will be stored in the OSS Repos by replacing the older ones, so its also recommend to:
Code:
zypper dup
So it is normal to get such huge Updates.
 
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:05 AM   #4
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openSUSE Leap 15.1 Alpha

Thanks both of you, sevendogsbsd and Sauerland!
That is not what I wanted and - I guess - my
thoughtlessness got me into this.
Is there an easy way out?
or should I just wait till Leap 15.1 gets stable?

Peter
 
Old 12-29-2018, 10:18 AM   #5
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I would install Leap 15.0.........
Is running here fine.
 
Old 12-29-2018, 11:39 AM   #6
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I would install Leap 15.0
He already came FROM Leap 15.0, so reverting to that would be his last recourse.
 
Old 12-29-2018, 11:45 AM   #7
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or should I just wait till Leap 15.1 gets stable?
Essentially it comes down to that, yes. 15.1 is in a public _testing_ phase.
From the openSUSE Portal
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Leap 15.1 is currently under development in pre-alpha phase.
and
openSUSE Leap 15.1 is planned to be released in May 2019, based on SLE 15 SP1.
so it will be 5 to 6 months before it _really_ is released.

BTW: SLE is the commercial (paid for) Suse Linux Enterprise and they seem to expect Service Pack 1 for 15 by that time.
 
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Old 12-29-2018, 04:27 PM   #8
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When I ran Linux, it was openSUSE Leap 15 and it was rock solid. Not sure what the ".1" could bring that is a good enough trade off for stability and a smooth user experience. Having the latest and greatest is not all that, at least for me.
 
Old 12-29-2018, 08:30 PM   #9
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Having the latest and greatest is not all that, at least for me.
Often the newer kernel fixes and hardware support is needed to prevent all kinds of processor security bugs (MeltDown etc) and/or newest hardware.
 
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:45 PM   #10
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As others have stated, 15.1 is Alpha, so mass rebuilds and updates are expected, as are the risk of breakage.

Regarding what are .1, .2 releases with Leap, they are updates from SUSE (SLE), and include new kernels, new DE updates etc...
https://doc.opensuse.org/release-not...USE/Leap/15.1/

Leap follows a major release every 3-4years with minor releases every year (approx.).
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap
 
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Old 12-30-2018, 04:41 AM   #11
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Often the newer kernel fixes and hardware support is needed to prevent all kinds of processor security bugs (MeltDown etc) and/or newest hardware.
Therefore you can install in every openSUSE Version the Kernel from different Repos (vanilla, stable .....)
No need to install any alpha or beta Distribution.

To install an alpha or beta Distribution is to help for searching for bugs.......
 
Old 12-30-2018, 06:04 AM   #12
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Therefore you can install in every openSUSE Version the Kernel from different Repos (vanilla, stable .....)
No need to install any alpha or beta Distribution.

To install an alpha or beta Distribution is to help for searching for bugs.......
I didn't say that I recommend using an Alpha release for real.

But I would be heavily surprised if any 4.19 or even 4.20 kernel was already available as a standard package for Leap 15.0 (4.19 was released october 23 and is a LTS release, 4.20 only came out about a week ago).
SLE is reasonable OK in backporting needed updates to their release kernels, but the latest 4.19.x kernel sometimes is a must.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 06:29 AM   #13
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I didn't say that I recommend using an Alpha release for real.

But I would be heavily surprised if any 4.19 or even 4.20 kernel was already available as a standard package for Leap 15.0 (4.19 was released october 23 and is a LTS release, 4.20 only came out about a week ago).
SLE is reasonable OK in backporting needed updates to their release kernels, but the latest 4.19.x kernel sometimes is a must.
Standard in Leap 15.0 is 4.12 (backported from 4.14).
But you can use:
https://download.opensuse.org/reposi...able/standard/

I think 4.20 will be there in a few days.......
 
Old 12-30-2018, 07:45 AM   #14
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I appear to have loaded the same post twice.
Apologies.

Last edited by petelq; 12-30-2018 at 12:06 PM.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 07:48 AM   #15
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Standard in Leap 15.0 is 4.12 (backported from 4.14).
But you can use:
https://download.opensuse.org/reposi...able/standard/

I think 4.20 will be there in a few days.......
I agree. It's already in the https://download.opensuse.org/reposi...HEAD/standard/ repo.

If the op likes his/her opensuse then reverting to 15.0 would be the way to go for now, IMO.
 
  


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