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Old 11-20-2005, 02:22 PM   #1
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opensuse 10.0 wireless


I just did my first install of opensuse 10 on a thinkpad x41. I had been using Ubuntu on it with great success but decided to see what opensuse was all about.

Got it loaded up but two things are deal breakers:

1. Suspend to RAM isn't working. Not sure if there is a workaround here.
2. No wireless. It appears set up but it shows as disabled. When I go to the command line iwconfig shows no wireless extensions. I typed modprobe ieee8011 and modprobe ipw2200 but that didn't help.

Are these things just borked in opensuse 10? Should I try an alpha of 10.1 instead or is there a solution?
 
Old 11-20-2005, 03:38 PM   #2
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Not sure about the suspend to RAM, but the IPW2200 drivers are quite well supported under linux, so you should be able to get that going with additional modules - http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
 
Old 11-20-2005, 04:32 PM   #3
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I was under the impression that the ipw2200 module would come with opensuse 10.0. Is that incorrect? If I have to download and compile it myself than obviously what I tried was wrong. It seems strange that it would configure it during installation when the module was not available. What am I missing here?

Again, first time suse-guy so no answer too dumb..
 
Old 11-20-2005, 04:54 PM   #4
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This is one of those things why the open source version of suse sucks. They say they've packed everything needed to the 5 cds and say its the easiest distro in town. Oops, they just forgot to enable the mp3 and flash support, so its pretty much unusable for ex-windows user who wants an easy dekstop linux out of the box.

Lets wait for suse 10.1 and see that Novell will be probably drop the downloadable GM version. Then we have only got a crippled version of great distro.


Ok, back to topic. The centrino wlan thingy is "supported" , but due to a license problems they can't include the ipw-firmware.-package to make that ipw2200 operational, isn't that great? Yes you can see the card in the network adapter list, but cannot use it or configurate it, that is what they call support for hardware in novell.

So you have to download the package yourself, and after that you can get the damn thing working...
try searching apt with "ipw-firmware" or try online update (YOU) and see if it is on the list.
 
Old 11-20-2005, 04:59 PM   #5
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As per the previous poster, it's included, but not fully supported, hence the need to try manually building the driver and firmware update. The firmware update might be available through YaST as suggested, but I've never used SuSE much to say for sure.
 
Old 11-20-2005, 04:59 PM   #6
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Ok here is the package. Its for the non-open source (10-GM) version, but since they are almost identical it should work without problems.

download package , install it and probably it would also a good idea to restart the computer

ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp...5-6.noarch.rpm
 
Old 11-21-2005, 01:26 PM   #7
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Thanks for the link. Any idea why IPW2200 drivers can be included with Ubuntu but not with Opensuse? Suspend and wireless both work out of the box on my thinkpad x41 with Ubuntu.
 
Old 11-21-2005, 01:40 PM   #8
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Not sure if this helps, but wireless does work under SUSE. I have a Microsoft Wireless USB NIC, and it was automatically detected. Once I set up my wireless settings, I found I was on the web pretty much out of the box.

Is your card detected even, or are you stuck at that step?
 
Old 11-21-2005, 02:55 PM   #9
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ipw2200/ipw2100/ipw2195 aka. intel centrino is supported .

There is just license issues.
BIG THANKS to INTEL

I just love all you americans and your great law in its all glory..

Here are something somethings from the license:

" Intel may terminate this Agreement at any time if you violate its terms. Upon termination, you will immediately destroy the Software."
-yeah right

"Title to all copies of the Software remains with Intel or its suppliers"
- hmm...

"THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND POSSIBLY WITH FAULTS. UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED OTHERWISE, INTEL AND ITS SUPPLIERS AND LICENSORS DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES AND GUARANTEES..."
- no updates if it is not working and if it brokes the card itself there is no warranty

and so on...

Last edited by onjoo; 11-21-2005 at 03:08 PM.
 
Old 11-23-2005, 08:47 AM   #10
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The reason the driver was not supported, as previously said, is because openSuSE will not include anything 100% FOSS. Hence the name "open" SuSE. If you want the drivers and flash support download the EVAL version. This is just like the real version exept it doesnt include ALL the packages. However, it does include usefull non-FOSS software, like adobe, flash, and a lot of drivers. You get the same problem with FC4.

PS. The EVAL version contains no restrictions or time limits, its simply called EVAL because it CAN be upgraded to the full version.
 
Old 11-23-2005, 09:11 AM   #11
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What types of packages are missing from the EVAL? Can they be added using YOU?

I would be willing to install opensuse or even buy regular suse but ACPI suspend to RAM isn't working on my thinkpad x41 whereas it works with Ubuntu. I guess that's why there's an Eval/open version..

Maybe in 10.1..
 
Old 11-25-2005, 02:13 AM   #12
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Originally posted by onjoo
ipw2200/ipw2100/ipw2195 aka. intel centrino is supported .

There is just license issues.
BIG THANKS to INTEL

I just love all you americans and your great law in its all glory..

Here are something somethings from the license:

" Intel may terminate this Agreement at any time if you violate its terms. Upon termination, you will immediately destroy the Software."
-yeah right

"Title to all copies of the Software remains with Intel or its suppliers"
- hmm...

"THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND POSSIBLY WITH FAULTS. UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED OTHERWISE, INTEL AND ITS SUPPLIERS AND LICENSORS DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES AND GUARANTEES..."
- no updates if it is not working and if it brokes the card itself there is no warranty

and so on...
This is the case with most ALL open sourced drivers. All software license agreements indicate that violation of the terms results in removal of the software...because the license is what allows you to have the software. Even the GPL has such provisions with regards to distribution.

Of course the title to all copies resides with Intel; it's their code and their copyright. Again, even the GPL provides that the copyright to the software stays with the original author.

Lastly, hardly ANY FOSS software comes with a warrantee - you didn't pay for it, so they won't foot the bill if it breaks something. The GPL has almost the same wording as the Intel agreement in this respect.

The reason it isn't included in FOSS distributions is not because of the terms you pointed out, which are quite common in ALL software licenses, but because of the terms regarding its extension and reuse/distribution. In these regards it is not OSI approved and therefore is not inlcuded in FC4 and openSUSE, for example. In all honesty, I'm very surprised it would even occur to you to complain: the vast majority of wireless vendors don't even support Linux at all, and hardware like the poster's USB MS dongle (above) are only supported through ndiswrapper, which is a dirty hack that has to use Windows drivers and translate their code to Linux compatible code on the fly. Linux native drivers are much preferred by most folks in the community, and I have always been quite happy that Intel bothered to support Linux.

Companies like broadcom which power almost all of Linksys' cards are completely uncooperative, and those drivers can still cause issues for beginners even with ndiswrapper. Rather than insult Intel, I'd like to say "Thanks!" in case anyone who worked on those drivers is reading. I appreciate their efforts. That said, it is too bad the drivers cannot be included in distributions due to their licensing...it makes it just that much harder to introduce people to Linux.
 
Old 11-25-2005, 04:51 AM   #13
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Originally posted by fouldsy
Not sure about the suspend to RAM, but the IPW2200 drivers are quite well supported under linux, so you should be able to get that going with additional modules - http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
I recently installed Suse 10.0 (5 disk OS CD and 1 disk EVAL DVD) on Sony Vaio notebooks. Through a little experimenting I found that I DID NOT need to download the IPW2200 drivers. They are included and fully functional.

The first install (5 disk cd), I thought the drivers were not properly installed and what ever I did it just would not work right. In my ignorance, I downloaded and installed the IPW2200 drivers and firmware and actually downgraded the installed drivers. To no eval it still did not work properly/

After some reading and googling, I found that I needed to set the route table for dns on the wireless card. Unlike the most others, it should default to the gateway IP, but for some reason Suse 10.0 would not do this for me.

The second install was on the same machine with the (1 dvd). This time during the install I opted to configure the wireless during the install. The IPW2200 drivers were there and all I had to do was enter my encryptioin key, gateway, essid, and DNS (same as gateway). The install grabbed the updates from the internet and has worked perfectly since install time.

Bottom line is you do not need to install any 3rd party drivers for the Intel 2200BG wireless, they are included and is a matter of proper configuration.
 
Old 11-25-2005, 05:18 AM   #14
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The IPW2200 drivers were there and all I had to do was enter my encryptioin key, gateway, essid, and DNS (same as gateway). The [/B]
Has anyone found a good application to control diffrent networks.
My problem is that i use usually 3 networks a day. One in home, second at work and third at university, and they are all wireless.

Yast tryes to hardcode the wep/wpa passwords to the card configuration, so its unusable. The kinternet thingy doesn´t make any sense. ANd Kwifimanager or what ever is so poorly designed and that crappy that it should be left out from the distro..

I would like to have program similar like Intel ProSet for Windows, it has this two click operation. Right-click it in the taskbar and then select peofile to connect.

Last edited by onjoo; 11-25-2005 at 05:21 AM.
 
Old 11-25-2005, 05:50 AM   #15
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Do you have kinternet running? If not, I suggest using it. Once it is loaded and you have the icon on the lower right corner, right click and click the the "Wireless connection....".

Here it shows the default connection. Then through the tabs on the top, "Scan for Wireless Networks". This will show you the available wireless networks available. Highlight and then connect. An option for a WEP key is presented. Enter the key.

I don't know how this will work with the DNS problem that I had, but you may be able to hard code each of the DNS's/gateway IPs on the table for the card.

This may solve your problem, but it is manual and it would be better to be automatic.
 
  


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