frequent software crashes

ungua · 10-06-2006, 04:59 PM

both konqueror, firefox and gimp, the three programs i use the most, crashed a lot during the last days. in firefox i installed "tab mix plus" but else i didn't change a thing. is there any kind of "garbaging"-tendency in suse by not closing applications when shutting off the computer, as it is in windows? i have no explanation for more crashes without changing the software.

regards
ungua

EclipseAgent · 10-06-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ungua

both konqueror, firefox and gimp, the three programs i use the most, crashed a lot during the last days. in firefox i installed "tab mix plus" but else i didn't change a thing. is there any kind of "garbaging"-tendency in suse by not closing applications when shutting off the computer, as it is in windows? i have no explanation for more crashes without changing the software.

regards
ungua

Launch the programs from a terminal, when they crash copy and paste here the backtrace (last things it did.

ungua · 10-07-2006, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EclipseAgent

Launch the programs from a terminal, when they crash copy and paste here the backtrace (last things it did.

how do i do that? start the root-terminal and type "firefox" for example?

regards
ungua, uses linux like most people use windows - i have no idea how it works...

biophysics · 10-07-2006, 05:33 AM

Most important do not use ROOT unless there is no other option.

1. First check your extensions version with:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions

2. Use a newer version of firefox. You do NOT need to be root for this.

3. Just download tar.gz from mozilla.com and install it in your data/home directory.

4. This might be (remotely) due to bad memory/RAM.

ungua · 10-07-2006, 09:24 AM

1) they are not on the list, thank you for providing this link!

2 & 3) i have never understood how to install a .tar.gz - and i have never had problems with firefox before, so i am a little afraid a newer version might be troublesome..!?
4) i just purchased this notebook with 512mb ram. and there still is the possibly to use disk space as ram, isn't it?

regards
ungua

EclipseAgent · 10-07-2006, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ungua

1) they are not on the list, thank you for providing this link!

2 & 3) i have never understood how to install a .tar.gz - and i have never had problems with firefox before, so i am a little afraid a newer version might be troublesome..!?
4) i just purchased this notebook with 512mb ram. and there still is the possibly to use disk space as ram, isn't it?

regards
ungua

tar.gz isn't really a "Installer", it is a compressed archive (tar, is an archiver that does some compression) and gz compresses it further.

Read up on Tarball and gzip

As for installing Firefox, you can just download it, uncompress it within your home dir and run it from there, if you decided you want to keep it, then you can put it in /opt or /usr/local (which ever you prefer).

I think you should still start the application from a terminal (which ever one seems to crash the most) and give the backtrace after the crash.

ungua · 10-07-2006, 10:39 AM

okay, i'll try that!

regards
ungua

ungua · 10-16-2006, 01:18 PM

sorry for the late reply.

Code:

ungua@ungua:~> firefox
/usr/bin/firefox: line 159:  4694 Minnesegmentsfeil       $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@
ungua@ungua:~> firefox
/usr/bin/firefox: line 159:  4727 Minnesegmentsfeil       $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@
ungua@ungua:~> firefox
/usr/bin/firefox: line 159:  4769 Minnesegmentsfeil       $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@

this is the message i get from firefox. "minnesegmentfeil" is norwegian for memory error. does this mean that my ram is broken?? these breakdowns happened when i was looking at the following swedish sites and they were easily reproduceable: 1, 2.
i suspect an flash-overkill to be the cause. or swedish sites...

seriously, watching aftonbladet.se has resulted in several crashes, too.

regards
ungua

abisko00 · 10-16-2006, 02:50 PM

If you suspect a memory error, try to run memtest from the SUSE boot CD.

Crashing while showing Aftonbladet is pure self-defense and not related to hardware errors.

kevkim55 · 10-16-2006, 03:31 PM

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tar, is an archiver that does some compression) and gz compresses it further.

Tar doesn't compress files automatically, it simply archives the given files into one single file. To compress files, one should specify command line switches or the program to compress with. For eg. -z switch would filter it thru' gzip and -j thru' bzip2.

ungua · 10-16-2006, 03:55 PM

@abisko, thank you for your recommendation! i did 2 passes without errors (that took 40 minutes! would it just have run further like this for all time to come? but i should have stopped working some time ago anyway..). i just wonder about a few of the data shown there, maybe someone can find the time to explain or drop of some links:
- L1 cache (?): 64 _ 18514mb/s (what's that fast - reading ram?)
- L2 cache (?): unknown
- reserved memory 257mb - for what? of total 503mb ram, 9mb probably reserved for graphics..!?
- MeM Map (?): e820-Std
- ECC: off (?)

what other reasons could cause the failures discussed in this thread? now that i have posted the terminal's answer to what's wrong, how do you interpret that?

regards
ungua

p.s.: aftonbladet does not count as a proper reason to cause breakdowns...

ungua · 10-17-2006, 04:09 PM

i was doing nothing but reading a friends blog from botswana when firefox suddenly broke down and delivered a new error code:

Code:

ungua@ungua:~> firefox

(Gecko:4736): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x31834f5 unexpectedly destroyed

(Gecko:4736): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x31834f1 unexpectedly destroyed

(Gecko:4736): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x31834ff unexpectedly destroyed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `glong' in cast to `GtkWidget'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `<invalid>' in cast to `GtkWidget'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `glong' in cast to `GtkWindow'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_move: assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `glong' in cast to `GtkWindow'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_move: assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `glong' in cast to `GtkWindow'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_move: assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GtkWindow'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_move: assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

(Gecko:4736): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkWidget'

(Gecko:4736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
/usr/bin/firefox: line 159:  4736 Minnesegmentsfeil       $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@
ungua@ungua:~>

please help me to understand what happened there. a breakdown "out of nowhere" is very typical for what i was referring to above.

regards
ungua

abisko00 · 10-17-2006, 04:22 PM

Do you run baghira?
Today, I installed baghira and suddenly, gimp (also a gtk application) stopped working. I solved the problem by de-selecting the baghira style.

ungua · 10-17-2006, 06:56 PM

no, i don't even know what that is.

but firefox isn't a gtk-program, is it??

regards
ungua

abisko00 · 10-18-2006, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ungua

but firefox isn't a gtk-program, is it??

Look at all the gtk error messages it produces. My best guess is that it's a gnome/gtk problem you are facing.