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Old 01-11-2008, 07:50 AM   #1
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Question Anyone know if KDE 4 migration is painful?


Ok, KDE 4 is released today, my question is simple:

on openSUSE's site: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/01/11/...s-and-live-cd/

there is a nice shiny link to get KDE 4 via One Click (for 10.3)... I'm tempted to click it, but I was wondering, has anyone else tried it, and does it work smoothly? My openSUSE 10.3 was freshly installed yesterday (I was trying Ubuntu, but I just can't live without KDE, YaST, SUSE's KDE Menu, and RPM Package Manager on my laptop :-) )
 
Old 01-11-2008, 06:58 PM   #2
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I was in very much the exact same situation as you

- was using ubuntu, switched to opensuse.. But I thought hey, sod it. So I installed KDE 4 yesterday via 1-click with no problems whatsoever.. I logged in and everything was all very much KDE4 ish. I haven't played around with it too much - most of my settings were still intact but there were a bunch of config changes that I will have to make to get it *just so* (e.g. the desktop icons are way to big for my taste). But KDE 3.X was still functioning so I'm using that until I've got time to make version 4 all personalised.

I'd say go for it - it won't stop you from using your existing KDE..

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Old 01-11-2008, 08:25 PM   #3
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On my box at work I'm currently running Kubuntu Gutsy. Currently, I have KDE 3.5.8 and KDE 4.0.0 installed next to each other. KDE 4 recognizes all of my KDE 3 settings, and seems to work without any issues.
 
Old 01-11-2008, 08:29 PM   #4
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Please realise this:

"To make a long story short: KDE 4.0 is not and never was meant to replace 3.5.x for regular users. The main goals were porting to Qt4 and creating the frameworks to create all the things announced for KDE 4. Frameworks are unfortunately hardly visible to the user, so most things that use them, like plasmoids, panel-functionality etc., will only appear after the frameworks are in place, i.e. starting with 4.1."

KDE 4.0 is very different from 3.5 the taskbar is huge, the number of tweaks very limited. To me it looks more like a simple desktop PClinuxOS ofr Ubuntu, KDE 4.0 looks more like Gnome to me.

Also it crashes after I turned on the desktop effects, even after switching to another user and session type. And it seems there is no compiz-fusion either for 4.0 so I'll stick to 3.5 !
 
Old 01-11-2008, 09:16 PM   #5
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The desktop effects worked just fine for me at work, on an Intel i810 chipset(if memory serves).
 
Old 01-12-2008, 01:57 AM   #6
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...KDE 4.0 is very different from 3.5 the taskbar is huge, the number of tweaks very limited. To me it looks more like a simple desktop PClinuxOS ofr Ubuntu, KDE 4.0 looks more like Gnome to me .... And it seems there is no compiz-fusion either for 4.0 so I'll stick to 3.5 !
I've also now discovered this and I too am sticking to 3.5. I did spend a nice 15 minutes rotating my desktop icons every which way and making them enormous though - which was fun but a tad pointless. I think that I'll wait until compiz-fusion is working correctly on 4 and then I might take another look.

Please note that I'm not saying 4 is bad or anything, it's just that 3.5 is better for my needs at this time.

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Old 01-12-2008, 03:27 AM   #7
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Hi guys,

I have installed KDE4components on my system but when I restart my comp, everything is the same, that is KDE 3.5.7.xx not KDE4. How to force my comp to start with KDE4?? I can start konqueror4 and other packages, games etc, but I only have the old desktop etc. Need to know how to eliminate the old KDE and start with the new one.
 
Old 01-12-2008, 06:17 AM   #8
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Hi guys,

I have installed KDE4components on my system but when I restart my comp, everything is the same, that is KDE 3.5.7.xx not KDE4. How to force my comp to start with KDE4?? I can start konqueror4 and other packages, games etc, but I only have the old desktop etc. Need to know how to eliminate the old KDE and start with the new one.
On your login screen you should see a session type selector - it's on the bottom left of this image - http://www.paradigm.ac.uk/images/suse50a/suse-61.png

You should then be able to select KDE 4 from the list. It'll also enable you to switch back to 3.5 and/or any others you may have installed..
 
Old 01-12-2008, 07:27 AM   #9
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Thanks, folks, I decided to give it a whirl, I see peoples point about not having Compiz, although my biggest problem is that KNetworkManager doesn't seem to have loaded, and Pidgin's taskbar icon seems to be just a gray block.

I'm personally used to a big taskbar (from the days of Fedora Core 3 (Which, might I add, is STILL running on my desktop after 3 years! though stupidly out of date!) though I have to agree, KDE 3.5 in openSUSE has just the right sized taskbar for my liking..

I'll keep 4.0 on for playing with, and as I'm still subscribed to the repository, things should get updated too :-)
 
Old 01-12-2008, 07:30 AM   #10
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On your login screen you should see a session type selector - it's on the bottom left of this image - http://www.paradigm.ac.uk/images/suse50a/suse-61.png

You should then be able to select KDE 4 from the list. It'll also enable you to switch back to 3.5 and/or any others you may have installed..
I should probably mention that openSUSE usually, by default, will automatically log the user in, but you can get to the login screen by pressing the log out button, and clicking "end session" rather than "shutdown". Though I disabled auto login during the installation.
 
Old 01-12-2008, 11:04 AM   #11
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Hi guys,

I have installed KDE4components on my system but when I restart my comp, everything is the same, that is KDE 3.5.7.xx not KDE4. How to force my comp to start with KDE4?? I can start konqueror4 and other packages, games etc, but I only have the old desktop etc. Need to know how to eliminate the old KDE and start with the new one.
Start a new session as a different user and select session type: KDE4
Do not wipe any 3.5 as you will have too many problems with 4.0 till at least 4.1 and the integration into the various distro's.

Again:
"To make a long story short: KDE 4.0 is not and never was meant to replace 3.5.x for regular users. The main goals were porting to Qt4 and creating the frameworks to create all the things announced for KDE 4. Frameworks are unfortunately hardly visible to the user, so most things that use them, like plasmoids, panel-functionality etc., will only appear after the frameworks are in place, i.e. starting with 4.1."
 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:39 PM   #12
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I have been downloading the KDE 4 live isos with opensuse since the release to try out and install. I also did the same with Kubuntu kde4 and fedora 9. Fedora is my distro of choice despite of its many faults. I am downloading opensuse 11 beta 2 after its release in the coming week. Maybe my little ol lappy can benefit from this experimentation with kde4.
So far bugs and features are coming in and out with great frequency especially on my fedora install. KDE seems more stable on Opensuse without many drastic changes happening there post install. Maybe they are all in the 11 betas. I got desktop effect working (yeah am brave) on i810 and I'll be tinkering with this. Instructions on how to solve the xdamage and xcomposite missing issues are at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeb...TO?view=markup.
 
  


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