New cutting edge apps usually means a steep learning curve and a few bugs. Actually the only complaint I have is installing yast sources is a pain and can no longer be done via a simple command.
This is the first time upgrading kde, or installing 3d video drivers is not easily done via yast.

Have any of you used other versions of linux? I'm wondering how SuSE 9.3 and 10.x compares.

I have used 9.3, and yes it is solid, but the new features in 10.1 (KnetworkManager etc) are just incredible.

I've used Versons 9.3, 10.0 and 10.1 and I'm very happy with 10.1. I wouldn't switch back to any of the earlier versions.

Cheers,
zenarcher

Thorn3

I am German myself but now live in Australia.
Can I suggest to download a newer ISO?
You either have a Hardware/BIOS setting problem, or a very early ISO version of SuSE 10.1
I have just installed it onto my wifes PC and the install went even better then the one on this Laptop.
My wifes PC uses:
Motherboard: One of the cheap mixed Motherboards onboard soundchip, Graphics chip, additional ATI Graphics Card, 512MB RAM, infrared Logitech cordless mouse, Win modem (not used anymore), 4xUSB ports, built in Ethernet, HP 1510 All in One Printer/Scanner,Pioneer DVD, 17inch NEC TFT Monitor.
Windows 2000 Pro

BIOS was changed to boot via DVD and PC restarted.

SuSE started up well and just the standard package was selected.
The HDD was setup with multiple partitions and a partition had to be freed up. The HDD has 120GB capacity.
This was the main problem that I found with SuSE (this is not a bug).
It's suggestion was to shrink the 40GB Windows partition to 20GB.
This was not exceptable and Expert partition was selected.
Here nothing has changed and the partition tool is still not up to scratch (compared to Partition Magic etc). It was impossible at this stage to find the partition that I wanted to use, so I opted out of the install and booted into W2k. Here I formatted the selected partition as a 32bit file system and then rebooted back into the SuSE setup.
Again SuSE suggested to shrink the W2k partition..back into Expert mode and now I could select the formatted partition but the Partition tool is quirky and obviously hasn't been changed since 9.3
You have to select and "delete" the partition you want to use. Then I used a calculator to work out the the space required for root (/)
I gave it 8GB of the 20GB and the other 12GB for the "/home" partition.
The section from there on went without any issues.
Once it found the HDD (and it found it all) I selected the Ethernet
card and set it up manually for my own Network/Internet ADSL connection.
On the Graphics part I selected to test the monitor and here it took me into Sax2. The screen was slightly too small and offset to the RHS. This was easily corrected with Sax2 and then saved before getting out of Sax2.
Back to the Setup program and I selected Printer to test..it printed a Test page perfectly and also told me that double sided printed was turned off at this stage.
Once it got to the point were it asked if it should test the Internet connection, which which I selected as "YES".
A couple of minutes later and it reported that the Internet connection was succsessful and asked if ti should check for updated patches. This was also selected with Yes.
It came back after about 10 minutes with the YOU screen showing me all the security and recommended patches. It selected itself to just update the zen updates etc.
After agreeing with the selection it downloaded the updates (took about 20 minutes) and informed me that YOU had to be restarted. (remember that we are still in the "Setup" program).

After it re-started it then came back up with YAST and this time a whole lot more patches/updates were selected automatic. all these seemed to be selected on my install package and appeared to be pretty correct.
Now this took more then an hour to install(even that I am on Broadband).
Once completed the setup finished in it's normal format and let me boot into the "user" account.
I let the HDD fully settle down until no more HDD activity could be seen via the HDD light at the front of the PC.
First check was made to see if I could get to the Internet which worked straight off.
I then checked the Firefox version which was now 1.5.0.4
A reboot was done and the Bios reset to boot from the HDD as the 1st selection again.
Windows 2000 was then checked to insure ti was still okay.
I forgot..I also added the Add On disk this time and chose some applets from it during the install. This went all nice and painless.
Also during the setup I went into the "boot" option and selected the W2k partition to be the 1st (default)boot option.
Rebooting into SuSe 10.1 and I just tested some common applets for basic functionality.
While having a bit of a play around the small zen icon turned orange and when elected showed me that there were another for updated patches to update the applets that I selected from the "Add On CD".
These were duly installed without fuzz.

I now have SuSe 10.1 running on 2 PC's without any issues at all.
On my Laptop, I haven't even bothered to boot back into 9.3 since 1 day after the 10.1 install.

On both PC's both SuSe 10.1's seemed to run at the same speed as 9.3 had been running on them, which to me is rather amazing.

Might I suggest for everybody to get the latest ISO.
It's install on 2 PC's has now been less panful then 9.3 and it's rockstable (so far).

Hieveryone
I am a relative newcomer to Linux, having started in December last year. All your posts regarding Suse 10.1 are very interesting indeed! I started out with Suse 10.0 on a 32 bit laptop and then used the 64 bit edition of Suse 10.0 on a HP Pavilion dv 5000 with an AMD Turion 64 bit processor. Suse 10.0 ran fine for the short time that I used it but when I downloaded and installed Suse 10.1 my laptop completely freezes for no apparent reason while I am in the midst of doing something important. I have reinstalled Suse10.1 but to no avail, the problem keeps repeating itself. I have no clue as to what is causing this and frankly, do not have the technical knowledge or expertise to fix this.

I keep reading on various forums that the way to get a stable and reliable system is to use Gentoo Linux and customize the installation to your machine. Is this so? Is Gentoo a reliable alternative to other commercial Linux distributions such as Suse? Is there something intrinsically more stable in the Gentoo way of managing packages that make for overall stability over the long run? Is it worth the trouble or is this also fraught with its own share of shortcomings?

Any thoughts on this from anyone?
Cheers
preeth26

Well, on one of my PCs, a simple AMD dual-core MSI K8N Neo4 with 4GB of RAM, SuSE 10.1 looses video sync after the installation and when rebooting for the first time as a new system. No image on the 21.3" TFT at all. Video card is Nvdia 6600. In both 64 and 32 bits installs. This PC runs 9.3 and 10.0.

In fact, since I tried for work a re-install of 10.0 I noticed that if I do not choose 1600x1200 at the very first screen option (F3) before launching the install, I loose video sync and thus, video output.

After buying both 9.3 and 10.0 I will wait until 10.3 or some such comes out to check out SuSE again. And then, maybe by that time I will be running my own home-made Linux systems again.

It's a matter of spending time wisely. For me it is not wise to search on forums to try to fix a pro distro that I bought. Luckily 9.3 and especially 10.0 were quite good in that respect. If I must spend time around something like this I much prefer to build my own system and learn something along the way instead of just trying stuff found on forums to fix a professionnal distro.

Tschuess.

My 2 cents: SuSE is an excellent, high quality distro, however, v10.1 has serious flaws, at least based on my own personal experience attempting to install/use it. Personally, I would recommend using either v9.3 or v10.0

As I stated in another thread on the same basic topic, Slackware and SuSE are my two preferred distros, and I've been using both with great results for years now. I had been looking forward eagerly to the release of v10.1, but after wrestling with it for several days (and I like to think that I kind of know what I'm doing) it was with relutance that I had to pull the plug and go back to v10.0 I remain a major supporter of SuSE, but v10.1 just was not up to the same quality standards as their previous releases, and while I've heard that they've been working hard to resolve some of these issues, as much as I hate to say it I personally was disappointed in v10.1 Here's hoping they'll get things squared away quickly, and that their next release will return to the high quality characteristics they've always had. Just my 2 cents

Is it the case that SUSE has been updating the 10.1 ISOs after it was first released? I am indeed the noobiest of noobs, but I had thought that once they released the 10.1 ISO, that meant that that was that until the next release. Wouldn't they have to label updated ISOs "10.1x"?

If it is the case that they've updated their ISOs, then that's good news. I downloaded 10.1 very soon after it was released, and have been wrestling with package management ever since.

Quite honest?
I really don't know and it's an assumption of mine due to me not having any of the issues as discussed extensible on the Forums.
My ISO was purchased (a burned copy) about 2 weeks ago.
I attacked the install with great caution due to the bad reputation that the 10.1 version had received.
That's wy I was so surprised how smooth it all went.

So why can't you edit your xconf file?
just print out the settings of version 9.3 in a printer and then edit the config file at run level 3 for your 10.1 version.
Actually you can simply replace the file of 10.1 with the one of version 9.3.

Yes I agree, SuSE has always been a great one to break things that used to work before.
In Version 9.1 sound worked fine on a HP Laptop..no more in version 9.3. Even after hunting around all over the Web for 6 months, the best I could do was get it to work intermittent and then it caused Gui Freezes at an at hog time.
In the end I gave up and just turned the sound off.

It looks like that after defending SuSE10.1, i have managed to find a bug.
Zen installed some patches, since then I noticed the PC to be going noticable slower and steadily getting worse.
I run GKrellm as a local monitor and it told me that I had no Swap file..i.e: 0 free, 0 used
First I thought that it was the applet at fault but today the PC left partial GUI frames of closed windows behind on the Desktop.
I went into YAST/Partitioner and noticed that my Swap file partition wasn't mounted.
This was easily corrected and to insure that the swap partition is now mounted during bootup, I have shut the PC down and then powered back up again.
It's all back up and running at it's normal Speed again.
GKrellm now shows the 1GB swap file

1) I paid for this distro. Twice (9.3 and 10.0). If I want to edit a xorg.conf file I'll do it for my own home-made Linux systems.

2) Technically, I do not run anymore 9.3. Only 10.0. But I tried that trick once because 10.0 can't give me 1600x1200 without a bit of scrolling of the whole screen. So I copied 9.3 xorg.conf to 10.0. Did not solve the problem. Mind you, this could be due to proprietary Nvidia drivers in 64 bit mode, and not SuSE's problem.

So yes, I did spend some time. Like figuring out the typo at line 188 in a config file that prevents WPA from working in 9.3. 'DRVIER' instead of 'DRIVER'. But my point is, I prefer spending time, say, doing fun stuff with POE and Perl than browsing forums for fixes for a distro I bought.

All in all, SuSE is quite good. But I'm very disappointed by 10.1. Looks like the marketing dept. took over the management of the software dept. I hope they won't continue in that trend because this is ultimately a dead end. Marketing cannot make a software dept. run smoothly. There has to be a buffer between real development and maintenance and the hypes of marketing people ;-)

Alles gut.

I've been trying to install Suse 10.1 on three different machines to very little success. Two the machines refuse to run it. Both lockup during the first reboot and never can be brought out of it. The third is a laptop that runs 10.0 perfectly. However 10.1 omits the drivers for my wifi card. I had to download and complile them. Most of the new items just don't work. I never can get connected with NetworkManager. If I configure Yast with ifup/down then it works. I'm am unable to install any software at all with Yast. Even after I manually installed the updates it still doesn't let me install any software. I finally downloaded SMART off of Guru's site to get it to work. I can't play any DVDs on this. The screen is garbled, yet I have installed the proper files off of packman. The system is slow and sugglish(not that suse ever has been fast but it was untill now stable) I gave up blew it off and reloaded my 10.0 image.

I'm skipping 10.1 and will wait on 10.2.

Well, after installing a new video card, (Nvidia FX 5200) in an attempt to improve video performance (my other card was an old ATI 32)the performance did not improve at all. In fact, the mere installation of the card caused yet another problem. Now, Yast will not allow me to open anything but the first Yast screen. Then, for no reason at all, Yast allowed me into software. Then, it didn't. Then, it allowed me into hardware, but won't allow me to bring up any hardware screens such as monitor/video card, mouse, audio card etc. Then, for no apparent reason, it allowed me in to make changes for the audio card, as sound was not working. Sigh.. really it seems that this version has a mind of its own. Does anyone have a solution to fixing Yast once and for all? If it works one day, why not the next? That makes absolutely no sense! Even in the same day, it works one minute, but not the next.
Also, my mouse wheel still does not work. Now, I can't even use Yast to make any changes or experiment with changes. Well, maybe if I try it on a tuesday, with the window open.. with a freshly baked brownie on the window sill with two flies on it. No, that is right, it only works when there is one fly on it, two buzzing nearby. Sigh...
There is still a problem with the mouse actuating buttons etc, without any command to do so. Merely hovering over a button will make it actuate. Very odd indeed! But, today, at least this evening, the arrow actually moves smoothly across the screen! That is a plus at least.
At first, I was livid that this release, which I paid for doesn't work. But now, I think I have just lost my mind trying to figure it out. Now, it actually appears to be...funny...

i have to wonder, why do you keep using it when you have so many problems? there are plenty of other distros out there that aren't bloated win-clones, e.g. debian, slackware, arch, gentoo if necessary. sorry, but two pages of ranting just doesn't make sense to me when there are plenty of other options available.