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Old 08-11-2006, 01:15 AM   #31
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^ Open source, free high-quality development tools, and an ever growing nice community.
 
Old 08-11-2006, 02:19 AM   #32
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ZFS, RBAC, Zones, BrandX, Dtrace, Fire Engine, upward binary compatibility guarantee, Self Healing, Resource Management, Live Upgrade, and certainly more.
Does this make it ' better' than FreeBSD?
 
Old 08-11-2006, 11:08 AM   #33
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Anyone else find this question odd or out of place somehow?

So you want it for home use but you are requesting known a list of goverments or angencies that use it? I don't see how they relate personaly.

Also, no admin or contractor is going to share a details about systems in thier care let alone those working with goverments and wouldn't everyone else would just be guessing?

As far as Solaris, I've only worked with it a little but it seems very similar to RH but that may just be me.

Yeah, i find it odd. But to stay with things. I believe that Solaris isn't really all that "unused". I've been administering Solaris for a short while now, and most of my questions have been answered via google searches. Of course it can take some extensive googling, but then again i've always had to do that for any linux flavor i had installed.

Solaris is a solid solution and is MUCH more secure than any windows box. Basically we're flying under the radar and a question like "what government agencies use Solaris" is odd. I believe they[government agencies] want to remain under the radar
 
Old 08-11-2006, 01:24 PM   #34
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Does this make it ' better' than FreeBSD?
I won't go that way, trying to avoid religious wars.

You were asking for specific things that make Solaris interesting, and these are certainly some of them.

Moreover, Solaris and BSDs share a lot in term of code quality, security focus and development model, the fact Sun co-founder Bill Joy is one of the well known original BSD developers is probably not foreign to that.

Another good thing is that BSD license is less choosy than Linux's one, so mixing Solaris and BSD code is allowed. Dtrace is on its way to be integrated http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/r...-jun-2006.html

As you seem to like comparing O/Ses, can you explain what makes FreeBSD different from other *nixes that makes it interesting ?
 
Old 08-11-2006, 03:51 PM   #35
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As you seem to like comparing O/Ses, can you explain what makes FreeBSD different from other *nixes that makes it interesting ?
Yes I do like to compare OS'en and try them out. I was planning to, but have not done yet, try FreeBSD. From what I heared about it is that it is more newby friendly and has nVidia driver support so you can play 3D games like Quake3. It's the closest to desktop computing compared to other BSD's. It runs Linux software better and faster than Linux itself.

This is all I know about it () Correct me if I am wrong. Ofcourse this awnser might not be the one you were hoping for. I gues you were hoping for a more technical awnser I also never ever tried any other OS than Windows and Linux before... and DOS.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 02:08 AM   #36
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From what I heared about it is that it is more newby friendly
Good, I'm sure there are a lot of newbie friendly O/Ses around though.
Solaris is not yet in this category when talking about installation and other administrative tasks. On the user level perspective, Solaris desktop, JDS, is I believe newbie friendly.
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and has nVidia driver support
Solaris has genuine nVidia drivers.
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so you can play 3D games like Quake3.
Fresh news here:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/smg...is_x86_running
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It's the closest to desktop computing compared to other BSD's.
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It runs Linux software better and faster than Linux itself.
Sources ?

Solaris on x86 run Linux applications, either with lxrun or "natively" in a lx branded Zone (Brandz), which is still beta though.
I don't think the latter will claim running Linux applications faster than Linux, as the same code running on the same CPU/RAM will obviously run at the same speed. On the other hand, When the program leave the userland to enter the kernel, differences will occur. First there is an overhead because of remapping linux system interface to the native kernel one, second, the system call execution will be a different implementation, this includes device drivers differences.
All of this combined will produce a performance that will be close to the native linux one, but there is no evidence that it will run significantly faster, unless with very specific benchmarks.
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Ofcourse this awnser might not be the one you were hoping for. I gues you were hoping for a more technical awnser
Yes, I was hoping for innovative strong differentiators, but nothing in your reply belongs to that category.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 06:43 AM   #37
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Yes, I was hoping for innovative strong differentiators, but nothing in your reply belongs to that category.
Look I am just a newbie who's interested. I am not defending FreeBSD or anything. I am also not attacking Solaris or anything.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 07:33 AM   #38
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Okay, sorry if you feel I over-reacted.

Actually I wasn't attacking FreeBSD either, I think BSDs are high quality O/Ses that haven't the exposure they deserve.
 
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Actually I wasn't attacking FreeBSD either, I think BSDs are high quality O/Ses that haven't the exposure they deserve.
Maybe I just asked the wrong question Maybe if I put it like this: Why do you use Solaris instead of a BSD?
 
Old 08-12-2006, 11:48 AM   #40
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There are a bunch of reasons, the original one is I switched from BSD 4.2 to System V in 1988 because BSD wasn't designed for SMP, and lacked modularity, i.e. was doomed in the long term for non desktop use.

For these reasons, almost all the Unix H/W vendors did the move toward System V based O/Ses, Sun was amongst the last ones to do it in 1990.

About current reasons, I have few spare time to investigate in BSD and I do not feel I would have a lot to learn from it while at the same time, Solaris is very innovative.

Of course someone may prove I'm wrong about BSD missing technical interest, as I didn't installed a BSD since a very long time, and I have few opportunities to use it.

That said, I'm still convinced BSD is a robust and secure desktop and small server O/S.
 
Old 08-20-2006, 09:49 PM   #41
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Maybe I just asked the wrong question Maybe if I put it like this: Why do you use Solaris instead of a BSD?
Personally, I like Solaris because I am deep into scientfic computing, I run very CPU intensive apps, and I need an OS that can take incessant punishment, day in and day out, without crashing. Solaris fits the bill perfectly. I have been using it since two years, and it has never failed me, or crashed on me (and when you are doing serious research work, there is nothing more annoying than a computer hanging or crashing on you). Finally, Solaris is free (now in both senses of the term), rock stable, and has all the tools I happen to need. This makes it convenient for me to use Solaris. I never tried BSD much, and I see no reason to migrate away from a comfy platform like Solaris.

But really, it is like asking `why do you follow religion X, instead of religion Y?', since most of the religions have much in common (that is what it is like in today's *nix world).
 
Old 08-20-2006, 10:07 PM   #42
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1. Even with blastwave and sunfreeware, the amount of packages does not compare to the ones available to linux.
I would say it depends on what apps and packages you want. It is immaterial how many packages are available, if the ones you want are not there. Conversely, it really matters how few are available, if you can have the ones you want.

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2. Poor drivers, even when you find them, there are less of them available. That may change someday. But not yet.
This is an issue if you have new and/or strange hardware, but for much of the general hardware of say - one or two years ago, you already have what it takes to keep the hardware working properly.

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Even kde (from blastwave) is much buggier than it is in linux.
I never used any desktop environment, so I cannot answer that. I am running X with IceWM.

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I am not a true unreasonable fanatic that is blind to see how much further we (sun) has to go in the desktop market.
I do not know - I keep hearing about the `ready for the desktop', and never really understood what it means. My Solaris machine is on my desk, and it does all I want it to do. I guess it is a matter of what you expect of it really.
 
  


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