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Old 02-02-2008, 11:14 AM   #16
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Hi,

You are not going to be able to install Slackware 12 on the laptop and get it working without some major work. You should use 10.2 or maybe 11. You didn't state which processor you actually have on this laptop or the amount of RAM.

You are being to general in your response and not willing to work to get to the solution.

My crystal ball is cracked therefore when I look over your shoulder everything is blurry. When presenting a problem on a forum you need to provide relative information. Not omitting it.

Maybe you should read ' How to Ask Questions the Smart Way or use Find Your LQ Answer'
The craptop is running a Pentium processor, and it has 32 megabytes of ram, I wasn't aware that slackware's requirements changed dramatically for 12. Excuse me if I somehow doubt that when you know the serial number off my CD-ROM drive you'll be able to provide some Dr. House type of solution.

I'm asking the question in hopes that it might be a recurring problem. I'm definitely not hoping that it's a one in a million near impossible to solve problem, that we can solve once I've provided enough details.

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As for the media match and some of the other questions. Do a Google or LQ search. A lot of that has been discussed on this forum has been addressed before. Maybe that is why you have a lot of problems that you are experiencing. Not researching before a problem properly. Buy any CDr and put it in a drive. Then expect it to work.
Yeah, it is totally outrageous that I'm putting CDRs into my CDR burner and expecting the result to work. Sometimes I wake up at night in a cold sweat wondering what's wrong with me.

EDIT: I searched "media match" "matching media to my burner" etc and got nothing. If this isn't something that isn't actually documented somewhere (with a list of burners and CDR brands) I really don't want a part of it. I do appreciate your help, but throwing your hands up and asking me why I don't have CDRs that match my burner, -- erstwhile being unable to provide a simple LIST that would let me find this media -- reeks of some wild goose chase to stave off the inevitable conclusion that my issue here is actually FUBAR, and no one's giant mind is going to change that.

EDITEDIT: Aside from assuming my media are crap(they have an @ sign on them), I'm gonna go ahead and declare my burner garbage since using a different burner in the house seemed to give me a working 10.2, though I'm still waiting to see another fatal error, it seems to be chugging along at least.

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Old 02-03-2008, 08:38 AM   #17
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by Jbernoski View Post
The craptop is running a Pentium processor, and it has 32 megabytes of ram, I wasn't aware that slackware's requirements changed dramatically for 12. Excuse me if I somehow doubt that when you know the serial number off my CD-ROM drive you'll be able to provide some Dr. House type of solution.

I'm asking the question in hopes that it might be a recurring problem. I'm definitely not hoping that it's a one in a million near impossible to solve problem, that we can solve once I've provided enough details.

Yeah, it is totally outrageous that I'm putting CDRs into my CDR burner and expecting the result to work. Sometimes I wake up at night in a cold sweat wondering what's wrong with me.

EDIT: I searched "media match" "matching media to my burner" etc and got nothing. If this isn't something that isn't actually documented somewhere (with a list of burners and CDR brands) I really don't want a part of it. I do appreciate your help, but throwing your hands up and asking me why I don't have CDRs that match my burner, -- erstwhile being unable to provide a simple LIST that would let me find this media -- reeks of some wild goose chase to stave off the inevitable conclusion that my issue here is actually FUBAR, and no one's giant mind is going to change that.

EDITEDIT: Aside from assuming my media are crap(they have an @ sign on them), I'm gonna go ahead and declare my burner garbage since using a different burner in the house seemed to give me a working 10.2, though I'm still waiting to see another fatal error, it seems to be chugging along at least.
Hi,

Sarcasm is not going to get the situation corrected.
I don't need the serial number of anything but to provide adequate information is proper. If you don't know then just say so.

Each Media manufacture have different grades of media. By speed generally and type of material, QC etc. That means the rate at which the disc should meet the standards setup by the industry. You should get some background information on CD-R.


The Pentium speed along with that much RAM I would definitely use Slackware 10.2 as the distribution. XFCE would be a good choice for a Desktop.

Getting smart is not going to help you. I've provided you with direct information and valid. But thanks for comparing me to a Dr. House level of diagnostics. I enjoy the show. Maybe you should attempt to use a little of that energy in getting to know what to do to solve some of the situations you are experiencing.
The sleep problems maybe telling you something!

Apparently the information is there and you just don't know how to provide in a proper manner. A lot of what I garnished from you has opened a line to what the problem is and how to implement the hardware. Googling with the proper 'key' will get you more information. I would start with knowing what the CD-recorder manufacture you are using. Then see what is specified for that. You seem to be too general with 'keys' when searching.

Did you even read the Slackware 12.0 CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, UPGRADE.TXT and RELEASE_NOTES?

As stated you can attempt to install Slackware 12 on this laptop but you are not at the level to even begin this endeavor that would not work in the end. I wouldn't attempt the install of Slackware 12 because of the amount of time required but use Slackware 10.2 and possibly even roll back to earlier versions if necessary. This legacy hardware will be supported with Slackware 8.1 and later up to probably 10.2. Of course increase the RAM to the 96MB the laptop supports. Read the txt files for each release to get additional information. You can look at this site.

edit: release notes ,UPGRADE.TXT, and Slackware-HOWTO for 10.2 is a start.

Last edited by onebuck; 02-03-2008 at 08:51 AM. Reason: clarify
 
Old 02-03-2008, 09:08 AM   #18
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Each Media manufacture have different grades of media. By speed generally and type of material, QC etc. That means the rate at which the disc should meet the standards setup by the industry. You should get some background information on CD-R.
I just googled the drive and it looked it up on CDfreak's site, and they have a list of tested media ranked best to worst. If you knew about the site, why it couldn't just have been linked to when I said "Is there an actual webpage with a table that will provide me a one word answer to what media I need?" is really a mystery.
EDIT: And the particular brand they recommend doesn't seem to be available online. I am right now packing this laptop back up, game over man.

Somehow I assume in my history of randomly buying media from CVS and getting good installs on them, that this actually is not the problem. OTOH, I didn't buy these CDRs but asked someone if I could have them, so maybe I just need to head back to CVS.

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Did you even read the Slackware 12.0 CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, UPGRADE.TXT and RELEASE_NOTES?
Again, I insanely assumed they had moved that stuff to their frontpage. What a rube I am, huh? None of those documents seem to trump the frontpage requirements list anyway. I want you to tell me how possibly I should have derived that my laptop couldn't handle slackware 12, as a guy who wanted to download and install it.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:32 PM   #19
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The slackware 12 install disk needs 64MB of RAM for the initrd.
Slackware-8.1 will be a lot better for your machine, though anything up to 10.2 my also work. The 8.1 installer only needs 16MB RAM for the initrd.
For later versions you may need to use the install.zip installer.
Had to laugh when I saw the prices for that machine:
JI-7050-8 6.0G/96MB 2004.58

I guess/hope you got it for about 1% of that!

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:51 PM   #20
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Yeah, I had 10.2 purring like a kitten awhile ago. However I ended up doing various things with the laptop in the meantime and am in the process of returning it to it's former glory.

It's something we bought long long long ago, and had lent out to someone for a period of a few years. So it's seen it's share of war. I think I've gotten most of what I need to do figured out with it. So I'm just gonna roll with it and take some breaks inbetween. I just let it install among all the failed packages from the badly burn CD, and I'm going to throw the stuff on the harddrive from the FTP via a USB stick then use the CD installer if it will let me.

EDIT: If it keeps being a pain I think I'm definitely going to consider picking up something cheap to replace it.

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Old 02-03-2008, 05:20 PM   #21
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Hi,
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Originally Posted by Jbernoski View Post
I just googled the drive and it looked it up on CDfreak's site, and they have a list of tested media ranked best to worst. If you knew about the site, why it couldn't just have been linked to when I said "Is there an actual webpage with a table that will provide me a one word answer to what media I need?" is really a mystery.
EDIT: And the particular brand they recommend doesn't seem to be available online. I am right now packing this laptop back up, game over man.

Somehow I assume in my history of randomly buying media from CVS and getting good installs on them, that this actually is not the problem. OTOH, I didn't buy these CDRs but asked someone if I could have them, so maybe I just need to head back to CVS.


Again, I insanely assumed they had moved that stuff to their frontpage. What a rube I am, huh? None of those documents seem to trump the frontpage requirements list anyway. I want you to tell me how possibly I should have derived that my laptop couldn't handle slackware 12, as a guy who wanted to download and install it.
It is humanly impossible to know every reference site!

As I said you need to learn to use google or a search engine with refined key(s). Look at the advanced search function for google, this will assist you a lot. Other search engines have similar utilities. LQ has a excellent search engine with a great reference base.

If you want to learn Slackware or any real Linux then you will need to read and dig through documentation, websites or whatever. That way no 'AssUme'!

You need to research the equipment that you want to use. That is unless you want a 'turnkey' like Ubuntu, fedora or whatever. But even then you cannot always expect to be able to work with legacy hardware. You then are relying on soneone else to really maintain the OS instead of yourself. When something breaks then you are out of luck.

As I said about the IBM 760 Thinkpads, with Pentium 133 and 96MB of RAM there was no problem with Slackware 10.2. Sure some tweaking but nothing exceptional. Ran XFCE when I need a Desktop but I use these for controlers therefore the 'cli' is always in use.
 
Old 02-03-2008, 05:26 PM   #22
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Hi,
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The slackware 12 install disk needs 64MB of RAM for the initrd.
Slackware-8.1 will be a lot better for your machine, though anything up to 10.2 my also work. The 8.1 installer only needs 16MB RAM for the initrd.
For later versions you may need to use the install.zip installer.
Had to laugh when I saw the prices for that machine:
JI-7050-8 6.0G/96MB 2004.58

I guess/hope you got it for about 1% of that!
Real sticker shock! Now we can get a laptop at around 2 pounds and less than $300. Asus Eee comes to mind.

Some great laptops from Dell and Toshiba for <$500.

I agree that the 81. would be a choice but 10.2 should load with his machine if he would max the memory.
 
Old 02-03-2008, 05:50 PM   #23
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I got an install by putting things on the laptop's harddrive via a USB stick, and I mostly use it for terminal work. Which is good since XFCE kind of tanks on it.

If 8.1 lowers my initial system requirements would that in turn make XFCE run better? I imagine I'm going to have problems with anything beyond fluxbox.

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