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Old 11-23-2011, 01:40 PM   #16
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So, following that thread of theory:


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Yes, on an installed system. (The quote would look better if you use code-tags instead of quote-tags)

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I suppose if I switched my folder of files to save over to the larger flash drive, I could just use the smaller one for the usbimg.
Don't know what you mean with "switch folders". You can just copy the slackware directory (the one that contains a, ap, d, ...) to your large pendrive and use the smaller one for the image.

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Although, then I'd need to determine where I would direct it to install from
Actually the installer will ask you. Have a look at this image (taken from this excellent blog post about Slackware installation), just use the option 2 for choosing your USB drive or option 4 for using a network mirror as package source.
 
Old 11-23-2011, 02:34 PM   #17
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(The quote would look better if you use code-tags instead of quote-tags)
Sorry, didn't think about that.

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Don't know what you mean with "switch folders". You can just copy the slackware directory (the one that contains a, ap, d, ...) to your large pendrive and use the smaller one for the image.
Ack. That was actually in reference to personal files, not Slackware files. I collected stuff that I absolutely needed to keep and had designated my 1GB flash drive to keep that data safe for when I actually go about the process of installing Linux and replacing Windows altogether (clean slate).

The idea I've had, all along, was to use my larger flash drive to install the essentials, and build from there.

But if the use of an external network is better (despite dealing with potentially unnecessary packages/etc.), I had begun to consider the possibility of moving the above files to the larger drive and using the smaller one for the usbboot.img/network idea.
 
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But if the use of an external network is better

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I had begun to consider the possibility of moving the above files to the larger drive and using the smaller one for the usbboot.img/network idea.
I would really recommend that.

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You can tell the installer that you want be asked which packages to install (choose the menu option here). But I recommend to make a full install until you get more comfortable with Slackware and its package management. I came from Debian to Slackware and installed my Debian systems always from scratch (I made only a base install and then added the packages I needed). Well, despite being warned about that I tried it the same way in Slackware and it simply didn't work. I had to learn a lot about the dependencies before going that way, having know an installed system of 2.3GB on my eeePC with only 4GB SSD
 
Old 11-23-2011, 03:26 PM   #19
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"newbie" - Use verbose prompting (the X series takes one year)
This made me giggle.

But, in all seriousness, if I went with "menu" to opt out of installing KDE/Gnome, etc., then I would still be fine if I opted for XAP (and, thereby, XCFE) until I could acquire LXDE, post-install, to test it out, yes?
 
Old 11-23-2011, 03:32 PM   #20
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E	 -	GNU Emacs. Yes, Emacs is so big it requires its own series.
Could you explain more about this bit, and it's necessity?

[Edit]Is it that web browser I saw on the list I was researching earlier, when looking for an alternative for Firefox?[/Edit]

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T	 -	teTeX document formatting system.
TCL	 -	The Tool Command Language, Tk, TclX, and TkDesk.

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Old 11-23-2011, 03:48 PM   #21
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To clarify, you will at first be asked which program groups you will install (A, AP, ...) you can safely uncheck KDE (there is no Gnome in Slackware) here if you don't want to have it installed. You will still have XFCE, Fluxbox and I think Blackblox as graphical UI, they are part of the XAP group.
If you choose the menu option you will be asked about the packages of the specific program groups, here for example you can uncheck the programs you don't want to use (for example, I don't use Thunderbird so I don't install it if I install Slackware on a system that has limited space). On my main system, which has more than enough drive space, I don't care and just make a full install.

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E - GNU Emacs. Yes, Emacs is so big it requires its own series.
This is the program group for the Emacs text editor, if you don't use it (for example because you use vim or nano, both installed by default) you don't need to install that.

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T - teTeX document formatting system.
TCL - The Tool Command Language, Tk, TclX, and TkDesk.
T is for the teTex packages, a derivation of the famous Tex document formatting system. I never used it, so I don't bother to install it.
TCL is the program group for the TCL scripting language, together with the Tk toolkit and some other packages. If you don't use programs written in that language you don't need it.

If I have limited space for install I also don't install K, which is only needed if you want to compile a custom 2.6.37.6 kernel (version for Slackware 13.37). If you don't want to do that or use a different kernel version you don't need to install that.

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Old 11-23-2011, 04:09 PM   #22
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Is there a standard kernel already present in the files regarding A, AP, etc., if K is specifically for said custom compilation?

This concept intrigues me, considerably.
 
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The standard kernels (huge and generic) are part of A. K only contains the kernel source package for the standard kernel used in that particular Slackware version..
 
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Ok, that's what I thought, but didn't want to assume. I've a much better understanding of what I need & want to do, now. I have no interest in a custom-compiled kernel... at least, definitely not at this point. Is it safe to say that there is no need to *replace* K, even post-install, for the foreseeable future, at least until I've felt out other aspects of Slackware, first?
 
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If the standard kernel supports your hardware (which it should) and you don't have any special needs (like changing or en-/disable options that are not en-/disabled in the standard kernel) then re-compiling the kernel isn't necessary, which means that the kernel source is also not necessary.
For example: My main machine runs with the standard kernel and I have K installed, I always make a full install on that machine. The motherboard on that machine will soon be replaced with a new one which is not well supported from the standard kernel, so I will go for a custom kernel on that machine soon. But since I need newer drivers I will not use the source installed from K for that, I will download a newer source from kernel.org. So actually there is no need for K on that machine.
My laptop runs a custom kernel, but I have only one option changed (enabled PAE) and K is installed. The kernel runs fine on that machine, no need for a new one.
My netbook also runs a custom kernel, but because of its low performance and limited drive space I have decided to not install K and compile the customized kernel on the laptop.

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Old 11-23-2011, 05:13 PM   #26
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It sounds like it would be better for me to gauge whether A is sufficient first, then, before worrying about it. I *am* concerned about the limited hardware of my machine, even though it runs most things quite decently, considering.

Also, I should probably bring it up again since I deleted the original message mentioning it: Part of my keyboard doesn't work (one of my ritual cleanings with compressed air decided to carry off the function of my h, j, n, m keys with it, and I need to use an onscreen keyboard for those). How can I make sure I have something of a similar nature available to me... do I need to look for one, post-install, or do you know if one comes standard/default?
 
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Sorry, don't know about that. The best solution would be to use an USB-keyboard, if you have one available, just for the case that Slackware doesn't have a virtual one by default.
 
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Don't have one; top on my list when I finally have anything of a spare portion of my budget, believe me.

Time to research.

Did you have a particular network URL to recommend, by the way, so I can start plotting out my next major steps?

Still digging around for the 13.37 usbboot.img. Closest I've run across is for 12.0. About to reread Alien Bob's wiki article, which originally led me to the other file I'd downloaded from him.
 
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Bwaha... all else fails, copypaste the lesser-version URL and edit it manually.
 
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http://johnboy45.wordpress.com/2007/...window-system/ looks promising. What do you think?

[Edit]And, found this: http://slackware.org.uk/salix/i486/1...rce/xap/xvkbd/[/Edit]

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