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Old 05-17-2008, 01:16 AM   #46
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easys GNU/Linux


Dear Guys.

Your comments are hard to unterstand. First of all: the code to build the distribution is hosted here:

http://easys-linux.org/yali/index.php?dir=YaLI%2F

ALICE ist developed together with the DARKSTAR team and you can access the SVN here:

http://websvn.darkstarlinux.ro

Everybody can take a look at it. All modifications done by us are published. We are also working on a so called MakingOf describing how the distribution has been build. I have also linked to the above sites from our download page, now

Second: I am personally contributing to Slackware for a long time, wrote Pat a lot of mails to help fixing bugs and explained problems on -current in IRC.

Third: easys is not trying to get away users from Slackware. That's why we don't call it a fork. easys is trying to bring new users to the great Distribution. AND: the logical upgrade path from easys is called Slackware.

So: if you are already a Slacker: great, if you are new to Slackware and feel to try the original: also great, if you are afraid of using an English only, text based installer and would'nt use Slackware otherwise: try easys.

That's all.

Best Regards
Marcus Moeller

Last edited by MarcusMoeller; 05-17-2008 at 01:36 AM.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 02:57 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by MarcusMoeller View Post
Dear Guys.

Your comments are hard to unterstand. First of all: the code to build the distribution is hosted here:

http://easys-linux.org/yali/index.php?dir=YaLI%2F

ALICE ist developed together with the DARKSTAR team and you can access the SVN here:

http://websvn.darkstarlinux.ro

Everybody can take a look at it. All modifications done by us are published. We are also working on a so called MakingOf describing how the distribution has been build. I have also linked to the above sites from our download page, now
Indeed, now this information is linked from your site, but before it was not. The same goes for the darkstarlinux web site.
Additionally, I cannot find any of the source code and scripts for the "original Slackware packages" that are part of your distro. The GPL license of that source code requires that you offer download facilities for these sources on the same server as where the binary code is beingmade available; i.e. it is not sufficient to point people to any Slackware mirror. You have to host copies of them.
This is a lazyness that more forks than just easys are guilty of.

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Second: I am personally contributing to Slackware for a long time, wrote Pat a lot of mails to help fixing bugs and explained problems on -current in IRC.
I do not doubt the fact that you are you like Slackware. In fact that would seem logical, because you use it as a base to your own distro.

Eric
 
Old 05-17-2008, 03:08 AM   #48
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Dear Eric.

I did not know that we needed to copy the source tree. Thought linking is just enough. (has notithg to do with lacyness). I am going to prepare a mirror of the packages, asap. The download locations to the source files have been published in the forum, before. Now they are bundled on the Download page.

Please note, that in the future the easys components are also published as AddOn for Slackware.

Best Wishes
Marcus

Last edited by MarcusMoeller; 05-17-2008 at 05:25 AM.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 04:30 AM   #49
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If you are going to add the sources for the Slackware packages that are part of easys to the easys repository that would be great. The GPL is something to be taken seriously.

What you could consider for easys (it is something that I have wanted to build in the past) is revamping it into a custom Slackware installer distributed as an ISO, where the installer asks for a Slackware repository as part of the installation process (on a DVD, CD set, network server, NFS, you name it). That way everybody wins - Slackware will remain the distro that is going to be installed; your easys gains fame as a Slackware installer for those who need another language than english, and this Easys Slackware installer can take care of post-install configuration for the end user as well (including the installation of add-on packages that are not in Slackware itself - compare it to the several Gnome add-on installers like GnomeSlackBuild, Gware and Dropline Gnome).

Eric
 
Old 05-17-2008, 05:17 AM   #50
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Image Technology

Dear Eric.

That may be an option for YaLI in general. We could add a feature like package and mirror selection, of course.

easys has a bit different approach. It uses something like image technology (currently a big tarball, but also capable for lzma compression) to deploy a complete system very fast.

Some of the main goals for the feature is a 1-click backup creation tool. This will build a image of your currently installed Slackware Linux system, pack it together with YaLI and build a bootable DVD out of it.

With this technology you can easily create backups of an installed system that may be recovered on different hardware, too.

I am also trying to publish the MakingOf the image creation process this weekend, to make our image creation process a bit clearer.

Best Regards
Marcus
 
Old 05-17-2008, 05:29 AM   #51
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Isn't copyright an infringement of the GPL?
 
Old 05-17-2008, 06:39 AM   #52
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I'm not an expert, but I like to test Linux distributions.
About easys GNU/Linux, just :

From http://easys.gnulinux.de/en/index.php
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easys GNU/Linux only includes unmodified Slackware packages to guarantee 100% compatibility.
But TextMaker and PlanMaker are nor Slackware packages, nor GNU/Linux applications. You should correct this.

Last edited by Road_map; 05-17-2008 at 06:40 AM.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 08:00 AM   #53
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But TextMaker and PlanMaker are nor Slackware packages, nor GNU/Linux applications. You should correct this.
I think you are reading this the wrong way. They mean that the Slackware packages they use in Easys are unmodified.

Eric
 
Old 05-17-2008, 10:55 AM   #54
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MakingOf

Hi all.

I have finished the MakingOf the base.tgz image. You can take a look at:

http://easys.gnulinux.de/en/index.php/Main/BaseBuild

We have also updated the Philosophy page. I hope this clarifies or intends. And also note: easys is not a newcomer project. We deploy our distribution since 2001. So what's the 'evil' word for friend.

Best Regards
Marcus

Last edited by MarcusMoeller; 05-17-2008 at 10:58 AM.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 11:25 AM   #55
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Marcus,

all of this is exciting news. I apologize for any prior rudeness and thank you for the attentiveness you have shown recently. I hope easys and Slackware can be good friends, and hopefully the users will follow suit.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 12:03 PM   #56
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Hi,
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Isn't copyright an infringement of the GPL?
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excerpt from GNU/GPL;

Preamble

The GNU General Public License is a free, copyleft license for software and other kinds of works.

The licenses for most software and other practical works are designed to take away your freedom to share and change the works. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users. We, the Free Software Foundation, use the GNU General Public License for most of our software; it applies also to any other work released this way by its authors. You can apply it to your programs, too.

When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.

For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.

Developers that use the GNU GPL protect your rights with two steps: (1) assert copyright on the software, and (2) offer you this License giving you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify it.
The license is a very interesting read.
 
Old 05-17-2008, 12:30 PM   #57
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Hi,
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Hi all.

I have finished the MakingOf the base.tgz image. You can take a look at:

http://easys.gnulinux.de/en/index.php/Main/BaseBuild

We have also updated the Philosophy page. I hope this clarifies or intends. And also note: easys is not a newcomer project. We deploy our distribution since 2001. So what's the 'evil' word for friend.

Best Regards
Marcus
You should proof read the 'Philosophy page'. I have made some suggestions below.


Quote:

easys – simple AND professionel

easys extends the specific advantages of Slackware Linux to the realm of desktop-computing. It combines the stable Slackware base with a recently developed Linux-administration-framework and catches with a simplified, well structured and at the same time fully fleged K-Desktop-Environment (KDE). Due to the fact that the professionel stable Slackware base has been taken over without any modifications, easys is well suited for servers, enterprise and home-office computers.
should be something like;


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easys – simple AND professionel

easys extends the specific advantages of Slackware Linux to the realm of desktop-computing. easys combines the stable Slackware base with a recently developed Linux-administration-framework and catches with a simplified well structured environment. easys has a full fledged K-Desktop-Environment (KDE). Due to the fact that the professional stable Slackware base has been taken over without any modifications therefore easys is well suited for servers, enterprise and home-office computers.

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Slackware based Linux distribution which will be persuiting uncompromisingly a userfriendly conception.
Should be something like;

Quote:
Slackware based Linux distribution which will be pursuing uncompromisingly a user friendly conception.
Quote:
Next the development will be projecting some grafical setup tools for an easy configuration of sound and network tasks,
should be something like;

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Next the development will be projecting some graphical setup tools for an easy configuration of sound and network tasks,
 
Old 05-17-2008, 01:36 PM   #58
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It was a sort of rhetorical question. I have read the GPL. It stresses the concept of copyleft as opposed to copyright. I just felt that remarks such as "parasitical" and "stealing" were too much like M$'s description of the open source movement as a "cancer", stealing their "intellectual property".
 
Old 05-18-2008, 09:00 AM   #59
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You should proof read the 'Philosophy page'. I have made some suggestions below ...
Hello onebuck,

thanks a lot for your hints and suggestions! I followed your corrections and merged them with our 'Philosophy' document.
I wrote most of the documents in our english section. Any help of native speakers is highly appreciated :-)

With our best thanks!

Kind Regards,
Carsten
 
Old 05-18-2008, 11:29 AM   #60
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Hi,
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Hello onebuck,

thanks a lot for your hints and suggestions! I followed your corrections and merged them with our 'Philosophy' document.
I wrote most of the documents in our english section. Any help of native speakers is highly appreciated :-)

With our best thanks!

Kind Regards,
Carsten
You're welcome!

I noticed another minor error in your 'Philosphy' document;

Quote:
We owe thank to the Slackware GNU/Linux development team and its contributors. They have been doing a hard and fruitful job since the genesis of Slackware GNU/Linux. We are very happy to have the chance to work with such a great Linux system!
should be;

Quote:
We owe thanks to the Slackware GNU/Linux development team and contributors. They have been doing a hard and fruitful job since the genesis of Slackware GNU/Linux. We are very happy to have the chance to work with such a great Linux system!
I do think that communication of this type about 'easys' should be independent of 'LQ'. You can contact me via my LQ email.
 
  


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