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Old 02-28-2021, 09:57 AM   #1
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Exclamation SARPi Project discontinues development on the Raspberry Pi (1)


The SARPi Project discontinued its development of Slackware ARM 14.2 related software on the Raspberry Pi (1) on the 28 February 2021. No future SARPi installers or packages are anticipated.

https://sarpi.fatdog.eu/index.php?p=rpi1get142

It gives me great pleasure to say, "Th-Th-Th... That's all, folks!" as far as the Raspberry Pi (1) and SARPi are concerned.
 
Old 02-28-2021, 11:02 AM   #2
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Doesn't that kill it for the zero as well?
 
Old 02-28-2021, 12:10 PM   #3
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My poor pi 1 b+. It has been chugging a long as a wireless print server for quite some time.
 
Old 02-28-2021, 12:52 PM   #4
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Doesn't that kill it for the zero as well?
Slackware ARM 14.2 isn't going anywhere. It'll be around for years to download. Just as ARMedSlack 13.37 is still available to download. Even so, it doesn't mean MoZes is still developing software for that OS though. Right?

In the same fashion, SARPi installer and packages for Slackware ARM 14.2 won't be removed from the project website. They'll be available to download for the forseable future. There just won't be any more installers or packages being built for Slackware ARM 14.2 from now on.

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My poor pi 1 b+. It has been chugging a long as a wireless print server for quite some time.
But it's Slackware, which is almost as reliable as atomic time! So, no worries.
 
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Old 03-01-2021, 10:52 AM   #5
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I should have wrote "discontinue development" rather than kill, but I suppose that doesn't make a lot of difference, one can always connect to a network and update as long as 14.2 its self is around.
 
Old 03-08-2021, 02:09 PM   #6
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I think it's a pity: the RPi 1 is definitely not so interesting anymore ... but for me the RPi 0 is interesting for it's miniature size.
Maybe we'll be lucky and the RPi foundation will release a RPi 0.2 with an armv7 core in it.
Maybe someone will write an SDK to use the RPi 0 as a micro-controller board ... after all it's only 1USD more expensive then the pico.

When is 15.0 going to be released ... there are a lot of indicators that this is about to happen
 
Old 03-08-2021, 02:35 PM   #7
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There are a number of 'bare metal' tutorials which should work on the zero

But like he said you can still down,oad the 14.2 installer and use it on the zero
 
Old 03-08-2021, 03:00 PM   #8
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I think it's a pity: the RPi 1 is definitely not so interesting anymore ...
I find any device interesting that's capable of running Slackware ARM, but the RPi Zero seemed (to me anyway) like it was a poor man's version of already out-of-date hardware [i.e. RPi (1)] when it was released. Then I became disinterested quite rapidly with all the cables and adapter(s) you need for the RPi Zero in order to use it.

It might, as you say, be more useful and suitable as a micro-controller board. SARPi installer will still work on the RPi Zero, so friends tell me. If enough users came forward and made it worthwhile to continue building software for the device(s) then I would consider doing it [for maybe ~10 milliseconds before vetoing the idea]. Incidentally, the SARPi download stats show that the RPi (1) has fallen from favour within the last couple of years, compared to later RPi revisions.

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When is 15.0 going to be released ... there are a lot of indicators that this is about to happen
I'm in the same boat as everybody else and honestly don't know anything more than what we've already been told. I just go with the dogma that Slackware [ARM] 15.0 will be released... "when it's ready"(tm).

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Old 03-08-2021, 04:00 PM   #9
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I didn't think their intent was to use a dated SOC but I think the zero's goal was small size.. I have a couple projects planned for mine if I ever get around to it.

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Old 03-08-2021, 05:27 PM   #10
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I didn't think their intent was to use a dated SOC but I think the zero's goal was small size.. I have a couple projects planned for mine if I ever get around to it.
The RPF certainly wouldn't be where it is today, and we wouldn't have devices like the RPi4, if it wasn't for the Raspberry Pi (1) phenomenon. It brought quite a few of us to where we are today in many respects. Porsche, Boeing, and NASA, might all say the same about their design and engineering triumphs of yesteryear. Patrick might feel similar about slackware-pre-1.0-beta. Everything, old and new, has its rightful place.

On the RPi (1), with a $35 cap on MSRP, there's only so much you can do within that boundary. Computer technology and software moves forward at a staggering pace. With the advent of Slackware [ARM] 15.0 I know there's not an ice-cube's chance in hell of it running on ARMv6 architecture. I don't know if the RPF intend to continue Raspberry Pi OS support on the RPi (1) but I guess there has to come a time when the hardware/software becomes so outdated it's not worth creating or maintaining anymore. Same reason why you can't go out and buy a brand new Ford Model T these days.
 
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:37 PM   #11
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The RPF certainly wouldn't be where it is today, and we wouldn't have devices like the RPi4, if it wasn't for the Raspberry Pi (1) phenomenon. It brought quite a few of us to where we are today in many respects. Porsche, Boeing, and NASA, might all say the same about their design and engineering triumphs of yesteryear. Patrick might feel similar about slackware-pre-1.0-beta. Everything, old and new, has its rightful place.

On the RPi (1), with a $35 cap on MSRP, there's only so much you can do within that boundary. Computer technology and software moves forward at a staggering pace. With the advent of Slackware [ARM] 15.0 I know there's not an ice-cube's chance in hell of it running on ARMv6 architecture. I don't know if the RPF intend to continue Raspberry Pi OS support on the RPi (1) but I guess there has to come a time when the hardware/software becomes so outdated it's not worth creating or maintaining anymore. Same reason why you can't go out and buy a brand new Ford Model T these days.
Speaking of which, great job in the podcasts, videocasts and your documentation on slackdocs regarding cross compiling for aarch64.
 
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Old 03-08-2021, 07:36 PM   #12
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Speaking of which, great job in the podcasts, videocasts and your documentation on slackdocs regarding cross compiling for aarch64.
Thanks mralk. But Stuart does all the editing and such on the podcasts so they are only great because of his boundless talents.

SlackDocs is awesome. I love it. Every Slacker should think about sharing their knowledge and experience on there and add to the already amazing wisdom. It's helped me out countless times with specific information that's often hard to locate on Google, etc.

Aarch64... I can't wait to get it running on my ARM devices. These days it's mostly all I think about.

And where the hell is MoZes? He'll be down the basement with his headphones on 24/7, listening to some Des O'Connor tunes that I gave him just before we did the last podcast. I'm pretty sure he will have downloaded all 36 albums that O'Connor recorded by now, including 4 top-ten UK hits, and the #1 hit single "I Pretend". If my assumption is anywhere near accurate then at least he has an impeccable taste in music!
 
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Old 03-09-2021, 03:03 AM   #13
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There are a number of 'bare metal' tutorials which should work on the zero

But like he said you can still download the 14.2 installer and use it on the zero
I'm not worried about not being able to run slackwarearm on it ... afterall I was quite active in putting slackwarearm on arm devices a few year's back:
https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:ha...ad700_7_tablet
https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:ha...00_dynabook_az
Along with an emergency procedure if SARPi failed on the RPi1 ... see the "Manual installation method" over here
Actually I've never done a proper slackware installation on any of my arm devices, I start off from miniroot with boot and kernel ripped from the easiest source, get network and slackpkg operational then add whatever else I need.
What worries me is that at some point 14.2 will become too obsolete to be of any use on the devices that can't run hardfloat slackwarearm ... but that could also go hand in hand with such hardware being also to obsolete to be of any use.

As I was saying earlier: maybe the RPF will come up with a new release of the Zero
If that were to happen this would be on my wishlist:
a cpu capable of running hardfloat slackwarearm,
microHDMI port instead of the miniHDMI
a couple of ADC capable GPIO
optionally a PIO like the RP2040
 
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Old 03-10-2021, 05:23 PM   #14
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Slackware ARM 14.2 on the Raspberry Pi 4

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I'm not worried about not being able to run slackwarearm on it ... afterall I was quite active in putting slackwarearm on arm devices a few year's back
Thought I'd make the set complete, just for nostalgia and posterity...

https://sarpi.fatdog.eu/index.php?p=rpi4get142

 
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:27 PM   #15
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The set isn't complete, it doesn't list the zero

Can we request additions to the packages you add?

I'd like to have the GPIO Zero Python library like whats listed here

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A handy reference can be accessed on the Raspberry Pi by opening a terminal window and running the command pinout. This tool is provided by the GPIO Zero Python library, which is installed by default on the Raspberry Pi OS desktop image, but not on Raspberry Pi OS Lite.
I defiantly have ADD, I can't stay on topic

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