"The long-rumoured 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 is now available, priced at just $75."

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/8gb...ale-now-at-75/

Nice!

I feel like the Raspberry Pi(s) are Pokémon, gotta catch them all!?.

So-many projects to do with them, gonna have a few.

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When they announced the RPi4 with more ram & USB3 booting I was overjoyed.

They brought out a 2GB & a 4GB version - well I only needed a 2GB version, but why not get the 4GB as it was available, & software always increases in size.

Now, almost a year after buying it, they still haven't sorted out the USB3 booting on it - this being one of my main reasons for purchasing the RPi4 in the first place - It also doesn't read the EDID of monitors properly, needing you to alter files, on a separate computer, before you can actually use it by itself.

Will I buy an 8GB version?

NO! - nor will I buy any other, until they get everything working properly!

(I reverted to using my RPi3B+ which does work properly, even though it lacks ram & only has USB2 booting.)

I'm sure the RPi4 will be a good little computer - when they get it working fully.

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Do you plan to test it @Exaga ?

I am curious to know if it is as hot as the previous version ?

I'm not planning to purchase an 8GB version of the RPi4 at this time. Though, it certainly opens more doors for possibilities and potential uses. The positives in my mind is that, with 8GB RAM there should be no problems at all in running a 64-bit OS on the RPi4.

In answer to your query; I'm assuming it will run approx. "as hot" as the existing RPi4 version(s). As much as I have read into any revisions in the existing design, it seems that, aside from the 8GB RAM, the only changes are the relocation of the switch-mode power supply from the right-hand side of the board next to the USB 2.0 sockets and the addition of a new switcher next to the USB-C power connnector. Which, by Eben Upton's account, was required due to the slightly higher peak currents required by the new memory package. Therefore it is reasonable to expect that the SoC on this 8GB version will exhibit the same thermal dynamics that we've all come to know and have gained experience in dealing with.

Darn! I bought a Pi 3 just before the 4 came out and, eventually, gave in and bought a 4 so that I could run a Minecraft server at home. Now there's a new device which should run it better!
Must admit that the Pi 4 isn't really up to being a multiple-user server for Minecraft but the experience of using the thing to do so has been nothing if not simple. I do get that if you want USB booting, or anything else you would rely upon and they didn't deliver, you'd be annoyed but I find booting from SD card and running an attached USB 3 SATA drive seems to perform as I would expect.
I don't understand the thermal issues people report either though I have to admit that I live in a cooler climate. I just use one of those all-in-one cooler and case (with handy GPIO riser and label board included) and my temperatures are pretty low even when stress testing.
I suppose it depends upon what you're willing to pay for something that's not going to be perfect -- $75 does seem to be touching on expensive to that for me but I still think that what you get buying one of these is amazing. The problem, I suppose, is are you getting what you need.

$75 + accessories will get you over $100. I guess you'd be better off choosing something that is performing stable under load (and more compatible - x86), instead of mainly throttling, for that amount:
https://www.amazon.com/procesador-or...dp/B07VGX334K/
https://www.amazon.com/TUREWELL-Desk...dp/B07YJVP75J/
...etc.

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At only $5, Pi0 does more than enough for me. Though like the others it's not free, as in the ever elusive freedom?

I've been wanting to try this: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena for years now!

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Same here, Slackware ARM 14.2 is happy running on the Pi Zero, very stable too, Kodi 17 running perfectly fine (1080p) and it can provide 15Mbps over tor, around 10Mbps over openvpn (AES-128).
I wish they release an upgrade to that thing, put the Pi2B armv7 core on it. IMO, the Pi2B was their pinnacle, perfectly stable, perfectly performing. They just lost it after that...
Eben was challenged about the Pi Zero upgrade in the Pi4 8GB release announcement (comments):
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/8gb...omment-1530396

So they have finally got around to releasing a BETA USB3 boot at last, (& a 64bit O/S), took a long time, but it's here now - so I'm off to download this new system & see how it runs...

My Pi 4 is perfectly stable and so much so I'm considering an overclock. Yes, that's with a ~$15 case but that's not much to pay. What's the value of x86 compatibility in a tiny server machine, apart from higher power bills?
I only have anecdotal evidence because I've not used a Pi as a desktop or used one of those you linked to but from experience of the Pi 3 as a desktop, a friend's comments about using the Pi 4 and experience of low-end x86 chips I think you may even find the Pi 4 out performing the linked to machines as a desktop PC.
All the above is forgetting that my use case is specific to me, and I find the Pi 4 almost perfect for that but others have other use cases, like building robots, home automation, weather and other sensing and the like which rely upon GPIO -- how do you do that with a cheapo x86? The Pi is not a desktop PC for those on a budget or looking for a bargain -- it's a decent single-board computer that's adaptable and pretty powerful.
By the way, as mentioned above I completely get how the Pi isn't perfect and there are frustrations and oddities. The lack of SATA seems to mean slow disk IO, for example, which is frustrating to me. So I'm not "settled" on the Pi but the Pi is a really quick, easy drop-in solution for some functions and, to my mind, worth the price.

You can get a pre used computer/laptop that could out perform the RPi, but it will be bigger, use more power, & quite possibly be noisy.

I started using RPi because they were small & silent - started with the RPi3B, then RPi3B+, which gave me a little more speed, but a big boost in wifi speed.

I have had my RPi4B working, using a microSD card, but I really need it to boot from a USB3 connected SSD, then it will equal my 'basic' desktops/laptops - it was faster than a couple of Atom based netbooks that I own.

I forgot the lack of noise, with a heatsink case my Pis run silently (apart from some "coil wine" on my 3 that's barely audible when it's working hard) at a decent temperature range so the Pis are as silent as my Celeron based silent "cheap Chromebook" style notebook and more powerful.
Could you not do the trick of booting from SD then switching over to USB3? Sorry, don't have a link but have seen it mentioned a lot. Also, a friend just mounts /var and the like to USB SSd and that seems to work.
When USB boot's sorted I think I'll migrate my Minecraft server over and upgrade the SSD to one I forgot I had languishing in a faulty old laptop. Only problem is if that causes a performance increase I may end up buying an 8GB version so I'll have two spare Pis (I have a Pi 2 sitting on a shelf in a pretty case doing nothing).

Yep, I've booted from microSD card into the system on an external drive, but you can't just swap over distros on external drives doing it that way. I want to be able to boot different distros at times.

It looks like they might just about have got USB3 booting sorted out now, but it is somewhat complicated to get set up, from reading the details, we shall see.

@273

You forgot to add the power supply (you'll need a good quality one), the heat sink & active cooling in case you also want it to perform (use it) and not only watch it throttling. Then you might also need a useful WiFi adapter.
Active cooling necessity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVfvhEJ9XD0
On the other hand, such a fanless Atom mini box will not only provide better SW compatibility (better support), but also HW. You'll get miniPCIe, SATA/M2, extra RAM slot (if you choose carefully). Finally, better processing power/watt and pretty much the same power consumption at idle.
https://raspi.tv/2019/how-much-power...r-measurements
https://androidpctv.com/review-acepc-t9/

Pi2B was their best product, at a time when the x86 mini PC market wasn't ready/cheap. But that's history.

If you're looking for GPIO, the PI Zero is a wonderful little toy fitted with a CPU that can easily handle the GPIO data and send it over the net for further processing.