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Old 04-24-2013, 05:20 AM   #16
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i partly agree with Slackovado - linux become more and more windows - like, and also unstable too, than inmore early days. i personally very like slackware 12.2 - it have very functional KDE 3.5, but even on that times i see tendency to get a fat.
also, i use slackware - on my desktop, and on my netbook.
despite of all i says, windows is in any case, worse choice as an linux in my oppinion - it lack many comfortable things, like as copy - paste with one button in linux ( mark with left mouse button, then paste marked with middle mouse button - win always must be ctrl-c / ctrl-v or choice in meny on right click), it be more resource hang, and there be a lots of viruses, and other bad sides.

PS. i found, default web browser in XFCE - Mozilla - is too very resource eating monster. try install opera, and it was significantly better, faster ( because on my netbook is very weak cpu - celeron 900 single core, no ht), i see big difference between that both. maybe there is also better browser? can anyone write in slackware docs article about configure a maximally effective, resource friendly desktop?
i also turn out webbrowser flash plugin, who too is very resource eating thing in nowadays www....
Old 04-24-2013, 05:23 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Slackovado View Post
Ok, thanks.
But I don't have any panel launcher.
And I meant drag from the Applications Menu to the Desktop area like I could do it in KDE 3.X.
very strange. i do that easy by default - open via start -> necessary app, and drag and put it in desktop. it works easy in default on my slack14 x32 xfce4.10 ...
Old 04-24-2013, 05:35 AM   #18
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It's really good apart from one thing - windows tear (have done for years) with the nVidia blob. Does anyone know how to stop this or is it just a 'feature'?
Old 04-24-2013, 09:07 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by tuxbg View Post
Hello Niki
If you want your icon text background to be transparent put this code into ~/.gtkrc-2.0
style "xfdesktop-icon-view" {
XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0
widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"
Thanks for the hint. Except I don't really want transparent icon text background, because it tends to be illegible with some wallpapers.
Old 04-24-2013, 01:15 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by kikinovak View Post
If you have Xfce installed, then you do have a panel. Or two. Or as many as you want. Just poke around a bit.

My own launcher is a stock Xfce launcher that uses transparency. There's no AWN or Docky or some other third-party launcher involved.

I just tried simply dragging an application from the Applications menu to the desktop, and it works without problems.
You're right. It does work now.
Not sure when I had found that feature not working, maybe it was in Slackware 13.37
But still can't right click on a launcher and display properties in the Application Menu.

Yes, I do have a panel. Yours looked a bit different. I jus use one panel for everything, kind of like Task Bar in Windows.
Old 04-24-2013, 06:18 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Slackovado View Post
No we don't require Udev!
Saying it's required is just plain wrong.
Linux was just fine before Udev.
I would even argue that it was a far more reliable and stable system than it is now.
I first tried Linux around 1993 and still have the CD set of Slackware 3.3
And I started using it full-time since around 1998 (Mandrake and then couple years later Slackware and ever since) and once set up it was far more stable than it is now.
The DE developers nowadays are simply destroying Linux. They are driving away power users and not really attracting any Windows converts.
Nowadays I've adopted a strict policy of not using any DE dependent applications.
And I've been jumping to Windows 7 more and more, especially for video editing and multimedia stuff as Linux has almost nothing to offer there.
I used have Slackware on my laptop but now I don't bother and it's Windows 7.
It's a sad state Linux is in these days, and Slackware is becoming a victim of it all too.
Sorry about the rant.
The decision to go to uDev wasn't made by the distributions, it was made by the Linux developers because it was a more fluid system to move hardware devices in and out of the system on the fly. Hotplug, devfs/devtmpfs, and hal were decrepated because they because they were at their limits of development and to improve on them would require an entire re-write of their system functions from the ground up.

The problem with uDev was the uDev developers were enticed by Red Hat and Lennart to add uDev as a part of systemd without giving systemd a full work-up and evaluation before they decided to see if it was worth the venture. To this date many distributions still will not include systemd, but all of them use uDev through the kernel. LFS, Slackware, and Ubuntu still use their own INIT systems like upstart, bsdinit, and sysvinit. Since then a fork of udev has been made to segregate it from systemd again, but many distributions still use the extracted and isolated udev toolkit from systemd.

There have been no plans to revive hotplug, devfs/devtmpfs, and hal as far as I know, though BSD based systems still use something similar to them, but proprietary to BSD I believe.

If KDE and Gnome wish to poison themselves with systemd then let them, and the same goes for all the other distributions who allowed themselves to be suckered in. Gnome already has, but KDE has been rather reluctant, and the same goes with XFCE though it does use portions of upower and udisks for device management purposes.

We need to have some sort of familiarity with Windows to make migrations easier, but yes, we do need to keep GNU/Linux as a UNIX faithful OS and kernel.

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Old 04-24-2013, 08:07 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Slackovado View Post
Even basic features like dragging an icon from Applications Menu to the desktop is missing.
I don't use the XFCE panel (nor the applications menu), but in my Slackware 14 box running the XFCE desktop I always use the Application Finder to do this. I run "xfce4-appfinder", click on the "toggle view mode" icon (down arrow), select the icon I want and simply drag it to the desktop. Works as expected.


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