Xfce 4.8

rworkman · 01-26-2011, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disturbed1

Schemas were not compiled - running the following -

Code:

glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas

This fixes the multiple keyring dirs being created. I now have one keyring dir, can close and open chrome, nm-applet ---- whatever to my hearts content, and only have a single keyring dir. AND logging out cleans the tmp directory.

Hrm, I *thought* I had handled that in postinstall scripts. I'll double-check - thanks!

abrouwers · 01-26-2011, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone

In addition to what you find in Xfce 4.62, Mr. Workman lists the following dependencies for Xfce 4.8:

GConf
ORBit2
avahi
glade3
gnome-disk-utility
gnome-keyring
gvfs
libatasmart
libdaemon
libgnome-keyring
libproxy
libsoup
libtasn1
libunique
media-player-info
sg3_utils
udisks
upower

Four of those listed above are also required for KDE 4.95 (4.6) and they are,

libatasmart
sg3_utils
udisks
upower

Going a little further, even alot of these deps can be made optional. Robby chose to add gnome-keyring support, but it can be removed without any issue. In GVFS, the http backend stuff is disabled via. a configure switch, so that gets rid of also that chain (libsoup, libproxy, gnome-keyring, gconf, orbit2, etc). After that, and the udisks/upower stuff that inevitably has to go in (for KDE too, of course), we're down to just a a few packages without any loss of automounting magic.

I know the keyring might be useful for some, but IMO the purpose of XFCE is to provide a lighter-weight alternative; adding very optional things from gnome just doesn't feel right.

cwizardone · 01-26-2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abrouwers

Going a little further, even alot of these deps can be made optional. Robby chose to add gnome-keyring support, but it can be removed without any issue....

I've found you can leave out gnome-keyring, but not libgnome-keyring. If I tried to run Xfce 4.8 without it, it would fall back to the command line with an error message that a component of libgnome-keyring was required.

abrouwers · 01-27-2011, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone

I've found you can leave out gnome-keyring, but not libgnome-keyring. If I tried to run Xfce 4.8 without it, it would fall back to the command line with an error message that a component of libgnome-keyring was required.

Ah, sorry for not being clear; the xfce stack (specifically, I think just gvfs and xfce4-session) would need rebuilding without the keyring libraries around, for the deps to disappear.

rmjohnso · 01-28-2011, 10:42 AM

Argh, the latest patches don't fix my thunar startup issue.

rmjohnso · 01-28-2011, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfernandez

Code:

rodrigo@darkstar:~$ ck-list-sessions 
Session2:
	unix-user = '1000'
	realname = 'Rodrigo L. Fernandez'
	seat = 'Seat1'
	session-type = ''
	active = TRUE
	x11-display = ':0'
	x11-display-device = '/dev/tty7'
	display-device = '/dev/tty1'
	remote-host-name = ''
	is-local = TRUE
	on-since = '2011-01-09T22:59:11.719905Z'
	login-session-id = ''

I start from 'startx' from runlevel 3 after boot. I've only started Xfce from kdm to test the given solution on the google searches, but I always start from runlevel 3 with 'startx'. It's not a customized .xinitrc, it's the one from xwmconfig, indeed.

Side question, though it's not related to the above: Do we really need avahi? I mean, I haven't started it (forgot to) and Xfce does not complain about this.

I'm running into the same problem as rfernandez. The output of 'ck-list-sessions' looks like his does, except I have a login-session-id. I'm starting xfce from run level 3, and I don't have a customized xinitrc.

RE my on-going thunar problems - It looks like me not having samba installed was what was causing the problem. I don't have any network shares to browse, but apparently not having samba make thunar keep looking for the network until it gives up.

cwizardone · 01-30-2011, 11:35 PM

On 30 January 2011, there were 4.8.1 versions of the following source packages posted to the Xfce stable repository:

xfdesktop 4.8.1
xfwm4
xfce-settings
xfce-panel
xfce-utils

http://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/

Just FYI.

rworkman · 01-31-2011, 12:38 AM

Yep, and here's tonight's entry:

Code:

Mon Jan 31 05:31:20 UTC 2011
  Rebuilt xfce (BUILD=3_rlw)
    Included latest point releases of several components
  Upgraded Terminal to 0.4.6
  Removed mousepad
    this is broken (no print function) and unmaintained for 4.8
  Rebuilt gnome-keyring
    Thanks to disturbed1 on LQ for noticing that I forgot to
      build the glib schemas in postinstall

disturbed1 · 01-31-2011, 12:39 AM

thunar and Terminal had releases as well. Most of these new releases are already in Robby's build_2 because of the git patches.

--- damn I'm slow beaten to the punch

---

I have your build running on multiple machines here. Things are going on the right track. Thanks for making this available to us Robby!!!

Can we look forward to leafpad replacing mousepad until the next version

cwizardone · 01-31-2011, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rworkman

Yep, and here's tonight's entry:

Code:

Mon Jan 31 05:31:20 UTC 2011
  Rebuilt xfce (BUILD=3_rlw)
    Included latest point releases of several components
  Upgraded Terminal to 0.4.6
  Removed mousepad
    this is broken (no print function) and unmaintained for 4.8
  Rebuilt gnome-keyring
    Thanks to disturbed1 on LQ for noticing that I forgot to
      build the glib schemas in postinstall

Well...
First, your hard work is greatly appreciated.... but....

I tried the new packages and there wasn't a way
out, that is, there was no way to log off or out of the desktop. Ctrl, Alt, BackSpace was the only alternative.
Panel plugs-in, the one I like anyway, still don't work.....
Maybe next time around the gentlemen over at Xfce will get it all straighten out.

Thanks for taking the time to compile the packages.

disturbed1 · 01-31-2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Panel plugs-in, the one I like anyway, still don't work.....

Which plugins are not working for you?

Did you rebuild them against the new Xfce? Or are they bundled plugins?

cwizardone · 02-02-2011, 11:09 AM

Well, I tried 4.8 again this morning using all the packages including those dated 30 January.

As previously mentioned, there was not a log out option. That is, there was no way to get out of the GUI other than using Atl, Ctrl, Backspace.

There was no Settings Manager.

The following plug-ins would not install, Weather, Wavelan, System Load Montior, Sensor, Network Monitor, and Mail Watcher.

The following plug-ins apparently installed, that is, there wasn't an error message, but they promptly disappeared and were nowhere to be seen, Xfce-Xmms, Clipman, and Verve.

As to rebuilding them, no.

Tried running Zenwalk 7-Beta in VirtualBox as it uses Xfce4.8 and in regard to the plug-ins, it was about the same as what is outlined above.

Ilgar · 02-02-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone

The followiing plugi-ins apparently installed, that is, there wasn't an error message, but they promptly disappeared and were no where to be seen, Xfce-Xmms, Clipman, and Verve.

Yesterday I released a 4.8-compatible tarball of the xmms-plugin:

http://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-pl...-0.5.3.tar.bz2

Its successor playercontrol-plugin will soon be available (in the git repo, at least). There is already a beta package here but the current code contains many changes and fixes.

disturbed1 · 02-02-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone

As to rebuilding them, no.

You can not, nor should not expect plugins compiled against an older Xfce interface to be compatible with this newer interface. It was not a simple bumb in the version. There's a whole new plugin layout, ui lib ......

Most of the plugins you stated don't work, might have updated releases or patches available. Xfce 4.8 is brand new, some plugins have been unmaintained and un-updated for for a few years. Unfortunately when the main UI and libraries get re-written things do not always just work. A little human intervention is required. Lucky for us some other people have stepped up to port the most popular plugins to the new UI.

Start by going to this website to find your plugin - http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/start
Example - wavelan -
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/pan...wavelan-plugin

Quote:

Recent Releases
0.5.6 (2010/12/04)
*
Support for both xfce 4.6 and 4.8

For the weather plugin -
--edit for the correct link

--
http://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-pl...er-plugin/0.7/

Your log out problem was noted by myself a few posts back, Robby posted a link to the bug. This has been fixed, at least on my systems. I can startx from init 3 as a regular user, and have reboot/shutdown ... options. Not sure about your session options they appear here. I'm using Xfce 4.8 on 3 32bit laptops, 2 32bit PCs, and 4 64bit PCs, and do not have any of the issues you are having. I did do a little leg work first with the plugins, and manually updated, or pulled from git the ones I use most often. Xmms, Mixer, Screen Shooter, Notes and Remmina all work fine here. Don't use any of the other ones on your list.

If you are using SBopkg to build SlackBuilds, remember, SBo is only guaranteed to work for the released versions of Slackware.

rworkman · 02-02-2011, 03:48 PM

Edited for clarify since I was too late in the posting...

(@ llgar) Wow, I didn't realize you were a plugin maintainer.

cwizardone, maybe I haven't been too clear on this, but binary packages of the plugins aren't going to work with xfce-4.8 unless the packages are built for 4.8; perhaps you did that, but I didn't -- all of my plugin packages were built for 4.6, so they're useless with 4.8.