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Old 07-08-2021, 10:38 AM   #16
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Just FTR I didn't advocate tossing the entire PC analogous to your boss's auto solutions, just the graphics. Also FTR I made certain my ancient laptop was nvidia Quadro, not Intel. I still prefer Intel CPU but their graphics leaves much to be desired IMHO.
You suggested throwing money at something that isn't physically broken, but is having software issues. The goal should be to try and fix the software issues, not replacing the GPU.

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Hopefully answered above in my previous post, excepting discrete graphics pricing. To that I say oh yes one can.... OK I was off by 7 bux but this is nvidia chipset, new and warranteed. I'm confidant that 7 bux can disappear from time to time with sites like eBay.


https://www.amazon.com/CosyluShop-Du...tronics&sr=1-5
As has been mentioned several times, it's a laptop. That card won't work. The embedded display port connection (eDP-1), which is the connection to the laptop's monitor itself, isn't working while external connections are, so unless you can find a card that OP can add in their laptop to drive the internal screen, suggesting OP replace the GPU is essentially pointing and laughing at their situation as it's physically impossible to do the task.

I do choose to stay away from Intel video on Linux for reasons like these. Intel does have decent open source offerings, but they tend to break semi-frequently and I remember similar issues coming up to the release of 14.2. I am also not willing to put Nvidia's proprietary driver on my systems, so I am happily "stuck" with AMD GPUs that are very well supported out of the box with Linux (provided you have a new enough kernel and GPU stack).

@rastafadud, when you updated and the system broke, how far out of date with -current were you? Are we talking just the latest update, were you a few weeks behind, or was your last update months ago? It could help us track down where the issue was introduced.

Also, -current is expected to move to the 5.13 kernel within the next few days or weeks and Pat has put the 5.13.1 version in testing/ (as of this writing). Can you try that kernel and see if the issue is still present?
 
Old 07-08-2021, 09:35 PM   #17
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I don't wish to belabor the point since I already admitted and explained my mistake assuming OP had a PC, but surely, bassmadrigal, you understand that I was answering a specific question asking only what I HAD meant by stating it was possible to fix with as little as 30 buck had it been as I mistakenly originally assumed was a PC, not a laptop.
 
Old 07-09-2021, 11:21 AM   #18
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I don't wish to belabor the point since I already admitted and explained my mistake assuming OP had a PC, but surely, bassmadrigal, you understand that I was answering a specific question asking only what I HAD meant by stating it was possible to fix with as little as 30 buck had it been as I mistakenly originally assumed was a PC, not a laptop.
Of course I understand, I just firmly disagree. If someone pays money for a product, especially one that is typically supported by the open source community, if they have a problem that was introduced with a software change (it worked initially and some update screwed it up), the last resort should be replacing it.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 04:38 AM   #19
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this morning kernel 5.13.2 - nothing changed
 
Old 07-15-2021, 04:49 AM   #20
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also, the same thing is with the latest slackware live distribution (64-bit current from 2021-06-19) , booted from the usb drive
 
Old 07-18-2021, 06:37 AM   #21
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Just a heads up - I'm another sufferer if not being able to get newest and freshest in Linux kernels.

Same problem, that still persists in 5.12, 5.13, even 5.13-intel-drm-git. Black (and turned off) screen with no signs of life, though ssh'ing or adding external monitor works just fine and shows that system thinks that laptops internal display is working.
Really annoying.

My laptop is HP dc0019ur (OMEN 15, intel 8th gen with uhd630 graphics + dedicated nvidia).
 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:58 AM   #22
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Anyway for that or whatever reason, I didn't then and still don't see that it is clear OP was talking about a laptop. My sincere apologies.
I don't think it could be made much clearer, assuming you even bothered to read the text in the first place. Here, i'll give you a hint.

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I use Slackware current on HP Elitebook 840 G5 for a while
and didn't had any problems.
I'm sure 20+ years of computing means you've heard of those and if not you should be finding out before trying to "help". Not one of your replies to this thread has any relevance to the question at hand let alone provided any aid, suggesting an ancient piece of unsuitable junk that couldn't possibly work was worth a laugh at least (lol and it's 'unavailable' at that!). It's these pithy, ego-driven, over-confident, condescending, and completely unhelpful comments like yours and some others around here (luckycyborg springs to mind) that makes internet forums like these such a winner for new and old users alike. So damn unnecessary too, maybe you should've spent more of those 20+ years learning some netiquette and basic manners.


rastafadud: There seem to be a few reports that sound like this regarding earlier 5.12.x kernels but it was supposedly fixed around 5.12.5[1] or even pre-5.14[3] at least for for some. At the very least it sounds like a kernel bug that's bouncing around in recent kernels and whatever fix went in likely broke something else. Usually in these cases you just stick to an earlier version and hold off on upgrading fully until a newer one arrives that works. Could also try reporting it in the right place since it wont get any traction here [4, i think]. Once all your hardware works upgrading the kernel isn't too important anyway - apart from security and filesystem bugs of course - and any LTS that works should be good enough for those.

I guess you could also try other distro live boot images to confirm it's related to the kernel, this might be useful if you decide to report the problem by using a more popular distro like ubuntu, although at least slackware's is vanilla. I recently had a problem with a new laptop that only seemed to manifest itself on gentoo's kernel - but the version itself didn't matter and I traced it down to the kernel configuration itself. I still have no idea which options out of hundreds fixed it as i took a working ubuntu config and pared it down to a minimal one over a few days and it's nearly the same as when I did that with gentoo's.

[1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70726
[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/c...rnel_5121_with
[3] https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-...13cfda619ec2fc
[4] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/i...file-i915-bugs
 
Old 07-20-2021, 01:58 AM   #23
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notzed, thanx for advice.

I tried few days ago with ubuntu installation usb and it was working, but I forgot that I used the older (20.04 I think) release,

With new Slackware live it didn't.

I tried with manjaro installation yesterday, wich came with kernel 5.10.14 and it's working. But it isn't 5.12+ kernel.

I will try asap with new ubuntu or some other live distribution and I will send results.
 
Old 07-20-2021, 08:56 AM   #24
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notzed, thanx for advice.

I tried few days ago with ubuntu installation usb and it was working, but I forgot that I used the older (20.04 I think) release,

With new Slackware live it didn't.

I tried with manjaro installation yesterday, wich came with kernel 5.10.14 and it's working. But it isn't 5.12+ kernel.

I will try asap with new ubuntu or some other live distribution and I will send results.
If it works using the 5.10.14 kernel, why not simply stay on that kernel?
 
Old 07-21-2021, 12:48 AM   #25
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Tried also with ubuntu 21.04 live with 5.11.0 kernel and it's working.

Last Slackware update with kernel 5.13.3 didn't solve the issue.

Don't have any live distro with 5.12+ kernel.

Again. latest Slackware live
 
Old 07-21-2021, 12:53 AM   #26
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If it works using the 5.10.14 kernel, why not simply stay on that kernel?
That is an option.

I use Slackware current and I assume that there are at least a few people with the same problem

and I can't imagine that there is no solution for this issue.
 
Old 07-23-2021, 02:52 PM   #27
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Just my experience, but I had the same or similar dead/black screen issue following a recent update on -current. This isn't a laptop but a homebuilt PC with Core i5 integrated graphics and 1080p monitor on HDMI. Rolling back libdrm (from 2.4.107 to 2.4.106) seems to have solved the problem here; now running kernel 5.13.4 and have seen no more black screens since the libdrm downgrade.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 03:58 AM   #28
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elsewhen, thanx
I'm having trouble to find libdrm package with version 2.4.106. All mirrors have updated (2.4.107) version.
Can you send me the package or let me know where to find it?
 
Old 07-28-2021, 04:07 AM   #29
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I found the lib:

https://lwn.net/Articles/856500/
https://mirrors.slackware.com/slackw...urce/x/libdrm/

did the downgrade but without success,

main display still not working
 
Old 09-23-2021, 01:18 AM   #30
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kernel 5.14.7
mesa 21.2.2
libdrm 2.4.107

after last update problem solved

I will mark this thread closed
 
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