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Old 11-25-2010, 06:21 AM   #31
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Will I have to abandon Slackware for KDE 3.5.x ?
This topic still continues to get a bit heated - but KDE dev' team are quite clear - it is no longer supported.


Simple answer is - abandon it if you want to!
Or use Slackware 12.2.

I really do not see any need or desire to have to have and use a new release just because it is a new release.

It really is upto you (and me, and others), igadoter!

Trinity project is something I will certainly be familiarising myself with - but for now Slack 12.2 KDE3.5.10 - .

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Old 11-25-2010, 07:30 AM   #32
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I want my hair back. It's not going to happen.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 07:32 AM   #33
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Two things:

First of all, good luck finding ANY modern Linux distro that continues to use KDE 3.x. The only current stable version I know of that still contains KDE 3.x is Debian Lenny... and it's every bit as outdated as Slackware 12.2. Nobody who's trying to maintain a modern Linux distro can continue to include unsupported software.

Secondly, I thought KDE 4.0 just plain sucked when it first came out... so much so that I didn't look at KDE 4.x again for two years. I was running Debian stable through that period of time (Etch and then Lenny), so I was using a 3.x distro anyway. I DID keep an eye on it, and 4.3 got enough good reviews that in January of this year I went ahead and installed Debian testing on one of my boxes to give it a try. You know what? It's great. There's still a thing or three that needs work (and instead of complaining about it I'm over at the KDE forums submitting feature requests and contributing to the discussions), but in general KDE 4.x is now for me a far more powerful and useful desktop than KDE 3.x ever was. Learn to use a tool thoroughly before complaining that it doesn't do what you want. Is there anything specific you have a problem with?

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Old 11-25-2010, 07:34 AM   #34
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:09 AM   #35
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I agree with Alien Bob. I also truly enjoyed KDE 3.5x in Slackware 12.2, but, I now love XFce in Slackware 13.1 and -current. You can customize XFce to suit your needs.
No OS is perfect, but, I have not found another Gnu/Linux distro that meets my needs as well as Slackware does. I don't think there is anything wrong with running Slackware 12.2 as you sort out this issue for yourself.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 08:17 AM   #36
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Nobody who's trying to maintain a modern Linux distro can continue to include unsupported software.
Is XMMS still supported?
 
Old 11-25-2010, 08:46 AM   #37
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I get your point, but to blame Slackware is to be totally ignorant of the Linux community and the problems of maintaining a modern Linux distribution.
If at all I blame Slackware today is that KDE 4.x.x is a must. Out of stock you have no choice but to use KDE 4.x.x if you want functional desktop. Other desktop/window managers are skeletons - to make them working one needs to install additional software. And customize a desktop by itself - if you know how to.
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If Pat stopped releasing Slackware, there is absolutely no guarantee that it would continue. There are other important contributors, but Slackware most definitely is Pat's distro.
I always considered this as a weakness of Slackware - that it existence depends on only one person. There is a border you cannot go out - so, sorry, let start to think what will we use in the future - or we turn off computers and go asleep. I can say like that because I am only a user. And I feel that I have a right to know what I should expect.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 09:02 AM   #38
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I agree with Alien Bob. I also truly enjoyed KDE 3.5x in Slackware 12.2, but, I now love XFce in Slackware 13.1 and -current. You can customize XFce to suit your needs.
No OS is perfect, but, I have not found another Gnu/Linux distro that meets my needs as well as Slackware does. I don't think there is anything wrong with running Slackware 12.2 as you sort out this issue for yourself.
To be honest, I've found Xfce's customization options to be fairly limited. Folders on the desktop will only open in Thunar no matter what you do...

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Is XMMS still supported?
Okay, oversimplification on my part. Big, complex, multi-package software with hundreds of dependencies is entirely different from something like XMMS.

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If at all I blame Slackware today is that KDE 4.x.x is a must. Out of stock you have no choice but to use KDE 4.x.x if you want functional desktop. Other desktop/window managers are skeletons - to make them working one needs to install additional software. And customize a desktop by itself - if you know how to.
I repeat my question: if you're ditching Slack because of KDE 3.x, where exactly are you planning to go? So far as I know the last KDE 3.x holdout is Debian... and when Squeeze is released in a few months time Debian will also be a KDE 4.x distro.

KDE 3.x is depreciated. This is NOT a Slackware thing.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 09:03 AM   #39
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First, I didn't like KDE4 too. It had too many bugs and also tools were missing. I still don't like the new amaroK, so I use Clementine. My standard WM is Xfce and I am very happy with it. But currently I am running KDE4 because this thread made me curious about KDE4 how usable it is now. I also tested the Netbook version with is quite funny but nothing for me. I need my panel.

About Slackware: I think nothing has changed. The software were updated just as it should be. It would be stupid to support old software. I don't really know if it is possible to have Qt4 and KDE3.

The Slackware politics: Normally I like democracy but in this case, I like to have our almighty emperor. He makes the right decisions. He proved it by providing us the oldest active distribution.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 09:21 AM   #40
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And I feel that I have a right to know what I should expect.
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This the way when a distro is coming to an end. When its developers stop to listen to users of its distro.
You do not have the right to assume that you speak for the majority of users.
I suppose it could be put to a poll, but I am confident that the majority would prefer to see Slackware to continue on the path of evolving and adopting new and better ways of doing things.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 09:51 AM   #41
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F But currently I am running KDE4 because this thread made me curious about KDE4 how usable it is now.
I have a tutorial that might help:

http://genek.net/LinuxAdventures/ins.../desktop1.html
 
Old 11-25-2010, 09:59 AM   #42
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If at all I blame Slackware today is that KDE 4.x.x is a must. Out of stock you have no choice but to use KDE 4.x.x if you want functional desktop.
Utter rot. XFce, Fluxbox, etc. are perfectly functional desktops. Oh well, each to his own. Best wishes as you work through this problem.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 10:43 AM   #43
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KDE3 was nice. I liked it a lot... but KDE is evolving, Slackware is evolving. I have no words to thanks the crew. Current is awesome.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 12:48 PM   #44
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Utter rot. XFce, Fluxbox, etc. are perfectly functional desktops.
Their functionality depends on KDE appplications. Without KDE installed they are poorly featured.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 12:56 PM   #45
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Their functionality depends on KDE appplications. Without KDE installed they are poorly featured.
I think it depends more on the user. I'm rarely using any KDE apps now and Xfce is a fine desktop as far as I'm concerned.
 
  


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