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Old 02-05-2014, 09:18 AM   #46
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On my 14.1 system with KDE 4.11.5, xinitrc.kde is part of kde-workspace.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 09:55 AM   #47
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That is an outright fabrication!

All you have to do is run something like GKrellm in a corner of your desktop and watch the cpu usage, number of processes and users, jot that down if you have a bad memory and then switch* to another DE, e.g., Xfce and do the same. You will notice a great of difference. Or, at least you should if you are not blinded by your own biases.


*Be sure to reboot after leaving KDE and before starting another DE.
No, actually that is NOT a fabrication and I have the numbers to prove it. As I write this I see TobySGD does also and my numbers closely parallel his. It seems to me you are jumping to conclusions based on what once may have been evidence but now is just uninformed bias. I frankly don't know where you got your opinion of me unless you're just miffed that I helped slaughter a sacred cow.

Now I have to mention this. I actually HAVE Xfce, Fluxbox, and WM and have the screenshots to prove I have worked in and on them. Do you actually have recent KDE installed?
 
Old 02-05-2014, 09:56 AM   #48
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I think I will stick to 4.11.5 for now and wait for the next 4.11 update -- you wrote on your blog that you want to at least build the final 4.11.9 for 14.1. Thanks for your commitment, Eric!
Well... I was mistaken with KDE releases - the KDE Software Compilation 4.11.x ended with 4.11.5 which I have in my repository. The versions 4.11.6 until 4.11.9 will only have releases of kde-workspace. I already used kde-workspace 4.11.6 in my KDE 4.12.2 (because there will not be a kde-workspace 4.12.x).

I may or may not update KDE SC 4.11.5 with newer versions of kde-workspace, but in any case the final 4.11.9 release will get added to my KDE SC 4.11.5 package set.

Hope that this does not add even more confusion about KDE version numbers...

Eric
 
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:00 AM   #49
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Oh and by the way I don't even think (and didn't say) Slackware should be old or hard or anything like that. I even made a thread that states the opposite.
To be clear I didn't mention that as a remark about you, directly, Moisespedro. It was "putting the shoe on the other foot" so to speak, since I know it hackles you when people make unwarranted assumptions about Slackware that IT is old, or stuck in the past, or unnecessarily difficult. My point was they are unjustified since the vast majority haven't given it a fair shake. This is true about DEs as well as Distros.

I read and very much liked your thread and thought it would illustrate a point. See?

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Old 02-05-2014, 10:17 AM   #50
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No, actually that is NOT a fabrication and I have the numbers to prove it. As I write this I see TobySGD does also and my numbers closely parallel his. It seems to me you are jumping to conclusions based on what once may have been evidence but now is just uninformed bias. I frankly don't know where you got your opinion of me unless you're just miffed that I helped slaughter a sacred cow.

Now I have to mention this. I actually HAVE Xfce, Fluxbox, and WM and have the screenshots to prove I have worked in and on them. Do you actually have recent KDE installed?
cwizardone has a long history of coming on to these forums to tell everyone that KDE software is evil (seriously, search his posts). Just ignore him.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 10:36 AM   #51
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I want just to add that "that disgusting bloat and resource hog" KDE4 runs just fine in my 10" ARM netbook, WM8850 with 1G RAM, on top of Slackware-ARM 14.1, installed in a reasonable fast Samsung 16G SDCARD.

That little ARM netbook, used primary for reading news, mails, documentation and to do remote shell access, rises to be incredible useful for my daily activity...

Talking about resource hogs, I call the crappy flash-mania which infected the internet like a zombie disease. And I know a website, which have a (flash) image gallery who allocate just 1G RAM, on access. I call this glorious bad codding and its creator is the winner in the dumb coders race.

Even you have use the "skinny" XFCE, the flash will eat your memory...

In other way, I believe that is time to dispose your antics box, if you are forced to use un light DM, to work with it. Give me a break! You can buy a netbook today with $100. You want something cheap and light? Go ARM. You want horse power? Go x86(_64) quad-core or even better.

Just because your box-o-crap is still working, is not a excuse to "force" almost all of distribution users to use a build barely optimized. And I believe that every Slackware user which dispose his box-o-crap do an great favor to community and, of course, to Business. In Anno Domini 2014, an minimal usable, for real, is an i686 system or, like I said, you have to go ARM.

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Old 02-05-2014, 11:32 AM   #52
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Here is what I found:
- i3: RAM usage 202MB, CPU usage: one core was occasionally hopping up to 1.5%, all other cores 0%
- XFCE: RAM usage 349MB, CPU usage: one core was occasionally hopping up to 2%, all other cores 0%
- KDE (stock): RAM usage 710MB, CPU usage: one core occasionally hopping up to 2%, sometimes followed by a second core, also up to 2%, all other cores 0%
- KDE (Desktop indexing disabled): RAM usage 627MB, CPU usage same as KDE (stock)...
That is a full KDE installation?
I've just been running it, 4.12.2, and the only way I can come even close is to strip out the evil triplets, i.e., removepkg akonadi, which doesn't delete the binaries, so they have to be manually deleted from /usr/bin/, along with nepomuk, while I was at, and then disable neopmuk services and turn off indexing in the setting. Then and only then can I get even close to your numbers.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 11:41 AM   #53
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cwizardone has a long history of coming on to these forums to tell everyone that KDE software is evil (seriously, search his posts). Just ignore him.
As I've said before I was, like many, a big fan of KDE, way back when, when it first appeared (1996?) and remained a fan until 4.0, which, as has been well documented in this thread, was a absolute disaster forced upon us by the various Linux distributions. There came a point where many of us finally gave up hope and moved to a different DE/WM. Similar to what is going on with Opera for the last year.

KDE 4.0 was released, what, 6 years and one month ago? How long before it was finally getting to the point it was again, usable? What? 5 years?

As I said a post or two back, the only way to get rid of the "bloat" is to strip out what the KDE developers have been working so hard to provide the last 6 years.
If you like it, fine. Use it.

@jitsi, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

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Old 02-05-2014, 11:51 AM   #54
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That is a full KDE installation?
Yes, I always do a full installation, I never remove any packages. Also, this is a multilib system. Some packages were added of course, but those were not running at the time of measurement, except Pulseaudio. I also upgraded some packages in the graphics stack, but none of them related to memory usuage of WMs/DEs:
- Clang/LLVM
- Mesa
- libdrm
- xorg-xserver (and of course the packages produced by its Slackbuild)
- xf86-video-ati
- glproto
- xextproto
As I said, I even created a new user for this, so that anything regarding the WMs/DEs is as stock as it can be.

Just for fun, I will upgarde KDE to the version from KTown, repeat the KDE tests and post the results here.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 12:59 PM   #55
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Been using kde since I started using Linux back in 2000 with SuSE 7.3. IMO, it's more intuitive than all the other DE's I've tried, looks a heck of a lot better (icons, etc...though I really miss the icons of kde3 - nice sharp and clear, not the muddled-looking stuff nowadays that all the DE's seem to use), and hasn't given me the fits that other DE's have given me that I've tried (I've tried gnome, fvwm, windowmaker and some others and xfce is nice but still not quite as easy to use as kde yet).

I don't care for kde4 anywhere near as much as I liked kde3, but it's (kde4) still better than all the other DE's I've tried out, and I was honest with myself and really put forth the effort to try out the other DE's as much as I could before frustration or ugh! set in.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 01:35 PM   #56
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OK, I made the test with the KDE provided by KTown, it had even slightly better results than the KDE from a standard 14.1 installation:
- KDE (stock): 693MB, CPU usage as with the previous version
- KDE (Desktop file indexing disabled): 606MB, CPU usage same as above

EDIT: Just for fun I repeated the test with the KTown KDE on my laptop with Athlon QL-66 CPU (dual-core 2.2 GHz) and 4GB of RAM (about 3.7GB usable due to onboard video):
- KDE (stock): 605MB, both cores jumping between 0-4% usage
- KDE (indexing disabled): 549MB, same CPU usage

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Old 02-05-2014, 06:39 PM   #57
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Why KDE?

LOL. Well with such a loaded thread subject I am not surprised in how this thread is growing. Really like the bit about not starting a flame war.

Everyone has their own opinion. Here is mine. I simply like KDE. I have tried others and find I like KDE. I like the layout, I like how I can customize and fine tune it. I particlularly like it's "desktop". I am comfortable with KDE. I have used other DE's. One fomer favorite changed to much, to fast. Another DE I used, I really liked except for one major (to me) show stopper fault. I decided to give KDE a second look. Yes I used it before, did not like it then. The more I used it, the more I liked it. the was just before KDE4. KDE just fits how I work. Features I used to disable are now enabled (e.g., Desktop Search). I've even found "Activities" useful, something before I could see no use for. I don't see KDE as bloated. I have lots of memory, lots of space; bloat is subjective anyway. I also like to stay with the latest KDE and of couse use Alien Bob's ktown. Thanks Eric!
 
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:37 PM   #58
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It may be different down in Carrollton but up here in the rare air of Frisco, KDE4's Activities are all the rage.

Seriously, I bucked them at first since having four virtual desktops has been a way of life for me since KDE1. And I still keep things that way, with a long-ingrained pattern of terminals on the first three virtual desktops and Firefox on #4.

Because I do a look of work from home (Dallas being a tough commute from here in what seems like South Oklahoma), I compartmentalize all of my Dallas office chores as a separate activity. It allows me to easily switch from a work mode (as I just did a few minutes ago) to the fun and games of reading Usenet, browsing the web and things that are local.

For me personally, I have to keep a clear delineation of "place" and what amounts to a totally separate work environment allows me to keep that distinction clear. I also have another Activity set up for Multimedia -- with HDHR, VLC, Amarok and similar applications. When I'm ready to watch television, it's almost like walking into the TV room and leaving work behind.

It took me a while to get used to that model and I did it entirely on my own. It was only later that I came across advocacy pieces such as this:

https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorial...cient-workflow
[Spares everyone else North Texas related in-jokes] [But it was a close call. ]

*rubs chin* OK, I can see the use of that model.

It's just that my work-from-home model requires me to log into various remote labs at the same time. I'm doing similar things in each lab, but they are all different. The activities model seemed like a decagonal peg in a round hole; something that almost fit but didn't. Maybe that's where you use the desktop model to provide context: I'm in the "working on remote labs" activity and desktop #1 has lab #1's stuff in it.

Maybe I'll give it another shot. Thanks for the info and the link.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 10:23 PM   #59
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I use KDE because it runs smoother than xfce and I'm not a big fan of fluxbox and blackbox. I tried them but I honestly got a little bored with them.

I used KDE back on RedHat even when everyone said gnome was the best

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Old 02-05-2014, 11:27 PM   #60
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I like all the desktops in Slackware added a few. I try the kde4 on a few other distro's I really could tell the deference between the Slackware build and I know Slackware's build is full and robust not hacked and pushed around.

The Latest Kde4 in Slackware 14.1 is extremely fast . It is on my AMD fm2 quad core 4gigs of ram. and also just as stable in my AMD 8350 8 core with 16 gigs of ram.
The Slackware build is a very well tested thought out build.
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