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Old 05-23-2010, 09:40 AM   #61
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So this works with what version of Slackware ? 13.0 ? I'd be surprised. If it does, then I guess we have to stick to i486.

It doesn't affect me any, I use x86_64.
Of course that AlienBOB's toy works with 13.0, because it's a i586 (or i686 ?) with MMX and all bells and they run (probably, minimum) at 1GHz and use a 640GB Western Digital SATA2 harddrive...

Because of this nice geekie toy, we are doomed to stuck in an architecture that remember the Tyrannosaurus Rex thing.

Wait a second! Dear AlienBOB, please, explain...

I imagine that the Slackware developers use a magical script that rebuild everything after changing... ie GCC?

Or NOT?

Really, we can rebuild the current Slackware Linux Operating System, from sources, using the current kernel, GCC & Co. toolkit? Or NOT?

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Old 05-23-2010, 11:13 AM   #62
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Of course that AlienBOB's toy works with 13.0, because it's a i586 (or i686 ?) with MMX and all bells and they run (probably, minimum) at 1GHz and use a 640GB Western Digital SATA2 harddrive...

Because of this nice geekie toy, we are doomed to stuck in an architecture that remember the Tyrannosaurus Rex thing.

Wait a second! Dear AlienBOB, please, explain...
I really have had enough of you, so this will be my last post answering anything you write.

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I imagine that the Slackware developers use a magical script that rebuild everything after changing... ie GCC?

Or NOT?
Unfortunately you are not getting an answer to that question.

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Really, we can rebuild the current Slackware Linux Operating System, from sources, using the current kernel, GCC & Co. toolkit? Or NOT?
Certainly, there are several other people I know, how are rebuilding or have rebuilt Slackware with other compiler options. Join the gang, I'd say. It'll keep you busy for a while.
For what gain, I don't know. But, the sources used to build the Slackware packages are on any mirror, all of them.

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Old 05-23-2010, 11:47 AM   #63
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I really have had enough of you, so this will be my last post answering anything you write.
That's sad.

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Unfortunately you are not getting an answer to that question.
Because this thing don't exist?

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Certainly, there are several other people I know, how are rebuilding or have rebuilt Slackware with other compiler options. Join the gang, I'd say. It'll keep you busy for a while.
For what gain, I don't know. But, the sources used to build the Slackware packages are on any mirror, all of them.

Eric
From your speak, I'm barely believe that an outsider is able to rebuild from source the Slackware Linux. This is real problem. IF the Slackware Linux CAN be rebuild by sources, this thread have no-sense. Because we can have an i486, i586 i686 and x32_64 (even ARM) in few days.

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Old 05-23-2010, 11:58 AM   #64
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From your speak, I'm barely believe that an outsider is able to rebuild from source the Slackware Linux. This is real problem. IF the Slackware Linux CAN be rebuild by sources, this thread have no-sense. Because we can have an i486, i586 i686 and x32_64 (even ARM) in few days.
Why don't you rebuild for i686, and if it's wonderful share it? You'll get what you want and learn something in the process. You may even want to check out LFS and just build your own system your own way?
 
Old 05-23-2010, 11:59 AM   #65
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Well, I use Slackware (9.1) in my oldie. So, if I want to update the Slackware in my oldie I need an hardware upgrade too...


Let's see...

#1 I created a vmware virtual machine with 16MB RAM, 256MB hardrive.

Testing results: the machine don't boot the installation cd, with the same message (not enough memory).

#2 I "upgraded" the virtual machine memory up to 32MB.

Testing results: ISOLINUX load the kernel and the initrd, but the kernel graciously fail to boot (not enough memory).

Conclusion: You aren't able to install Slackware-13.1-RC2 in a i486 machine, even if you have at least 32MB RAM installed.
You tried booting with bare.i, right?

Is bare.i still in 13?
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:04 PM   #66
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Why don't you rebuild for i686, and if it's wonderful share it? You'll get what you want and learn something in the process. You may even want to check out LFS and just build your own system your own way?
I love, to build the i686 target in few hours after the official release, but I don't believe that it's possible to rebuild our current from /source directory.
 
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You tried booting with bare.i, right?

Is bare.i still in 13?
Nah, I used huge.s (i486 compatible).
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:20 PM   #68
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I love, to build the i686 target in few hours after the official release, but I don't believe that it's possible to rebuild our current from /source directory.
Well no one said it would be EASY.
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:24 PM   #69
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Well no one said it would be EASY.
Of course, but FIRST THING is to have... the correct and compilable sources?
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:31 PM   #70
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Nah, I used huge.s (i486 compatible).
Well, if you had used bare.i you wouldnt have the problem right

So it isn't correct to say slackware 13.x isn't installable on a 486 machine.
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:40 PM   #71
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Well, if you had used bare.i you wouldnt have the problem right

So it isn't correct to say slackware 13.x isn't installable on a 486 machine.
Buddy, the Slackware 13.0 have only: huge.s (i486 compatible), hugesmp.s (SMP and bells) and speakup.s (for disabled, what architecture?).
 
Old 05-23-2010, 12:52 PM   #72
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Buddy, the Slackware 13.0 have only: huge.s (i486 compatible), hugesmp.s (SMP and bells) and speakup.s (for disabled, what architecture?).
I'm not your buddy, guy.

I asked before if bare.i was still 13 or not, wasn't sure. I wonder it went away, and does anyone know with which release just for curiosity?
 
Old 05-23-2010, 01:26 PM   #73
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All the 2.4 kernels went away with anything greater than 11.0, i.e. 12.0 and up. Check the kernels directory for available kernels.
 
Old 05-23-2010, 01:45 PM   #74
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I don't agree with the reasoning that the compilation level should change just because the default slackware installation medium cannot boot on certain really old i486 systems because of lack of memory to boot. It is still completely possible to install using other methods. When I tried installing on one of my own 486's, I booted from ZipSlack, but manually installed the packages for the latest slackware.

There are also newer 486-derivative systems that have more memory.
 
Old 05-23-2010, 01:59 PM   #75
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All the 2.4 kernels went away with anything greater than 11.0, i.e. 12.0 and up. Check the kernels directory for available kernels.
Well, I think bare.i was a concept more than being specific to a kernel version branch.

Older versions of slackware also had a huge.s, did they not?

bare.i was just a barebones kernel for booting on older/limited hardware, and there is now no equivalent, correct?
 
  


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