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Old 08-23-2018, 07:24 AM   #76
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1. It is assumed newcomers explore Slackware from the full install.
2. It is considered polite to list any deviation from that when asking for help.

OTOH, the "everything" that is "surplus" is usually less of a HDD burden than a KDE or Open/Libre Office install.

I am considering lately, that Slackware might drop KDE eventually as well as it dropped Gnome, and, also eventually, drop any complex WM/GDE in favor of streamlining the basic system maintenance. Provided it includes "sbotools" and a "ports like system" before doing so, this could make a lot of sense in the long run IMHO.

But this is OT here I guess...
 
Old 08-23-2018, 07:45 AM   #77
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I could not oversee what Darth has written since it was quoted 2 times and ignoreing does not mean not seeing quotes ....
but,
the thing with a serverless XFCE desktop, for example.

It's a while since I ran an install the last time but from what I remember it is possible to load a custom (what's it called?) tag set?
that says the installer what to install.
So, likewise trusted packager, like Eric Sbo, .., there could be trusted 'tag set' sources that give you installation variants.
Problem is, so far there are no 'tag set' collections , and if they exists they are somewhere, I think Kiki has some on MLED, but not on a cantral place where people enjoy changing and extending them.
So no XFCE only, KDE only flavoured spins, except Salix of course
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:22 AM   #78
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1. Why did you stop using Slackware?

I haven't stopped using Slackware, actually an idea to change to other Linux distribution rarely came to my mind in past 20+ years of my Slackware use. However, I have to admit that, for me, recent turmoil cast some doubt on leadership and community, and thus the future of this distribution - but I'll wait and see. Besides that, my only little issue with Slackware is alike to number of other people that commented here: the set of packages included in the distribution should be bigger. As I said in another thread, I actually need only dozen of additional packages from SBo, however it's still annoying to have to check from time to time for their updates one by one.

2. Are you going to switch back again and why?


I'd much prefer to keep using Slackware even if, as I'm a programmer, I don't fiddle with the system on daily basis. It's just a matter of custom, and also it is true that Slackware is still one of Linux distributions that is closest in spirit to Unix origins.

3. Which distribution did you switch to and why?

If I have to switch, I'd probably go with CentOS (or maybe some alike RHEL derivative), as in the domain that I'm working in, and this is high-performance computing, CentOS is absolutely dominating (on the other side, nobody there knows about Slackware). I used CentOS a lot when testing my codes on various clusters or super-computers, and in recent times also within containers on my Slackware machine, and I find it OK. But again, I still prefer Slackware.

On the other side, if the main tool that I use, and this is NVIDIA CUDA, would become available on *BSDs, I think I'd seriously consider switching. Before CUDA released in late 2007, I was actually dual-booting NetBSD and Slackware, spending more time in NetBSD, and I liked it more than Linux, again because it was closer to Unix roots. But maybe it's just about nostalgia, after all I'm tracking with interest efforts to have OpenVMS run on Intel hardware, I guess when I retire I wouldn't mind having an OpenVMS box as my only computer
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:03 AM   #79
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I am considering lately, that Slackware might drop KDE eventually as well as it dropped Gnome [...] Provided it includes "sbotools" and a "ports like system" before doing so
This would make Slackware useless for people (like me) with old computers. It is unimaginable for me to recompile all KDE from the source on my computer. Hardware requirements is another reason why I am using Slackware. It just never failed even on very, very, very old computers (maybe older than some posters here). This is why I don't run Ubuntu eg. And I see no reason to spend money for new computer - this one I have with Slackware installed just serves me well.
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:04 AM   #80
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I didn't actually stop using slackware. I did once consider installing it as my third sytem but got as far as reading the install instructions and decided it was too complicated.
Life's to short so I decided against it.
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:41 AM   #81
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Hi,

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I wonder if there are more people on this forum who don't use Slackware anymore but read the threads and follow the changelog regularly.

If you are in this category:
  1. Why did you stop using Slackware?
  2. Are you going to switch back again and why?
  3. Which distribution did you switch to and why?
1. I have not stopped using Slackware! I have been using Slackware since PV's first release back in 93. Best UNIX-like Gnu/Linux available.

2. Never need to consider this since I remain a loyal Slackware users.

3. On occasion I will use other Live CD/DVD Gnu/Linux for diagnostics but that too is rare since most of my needs can be met by use of Slackware since Eric has Slackware Live available to boot Slackware on other machines when necessary.

Very interesting to see others responses to this thread.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:08 AM   #82
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If you are in this category:
Why did you stop using Slackware? Not really in this category but I'd switch to windows for gaming.
Are you going to switch back again and why? I now own a laptop and desktop I have the best of both worlds now
Which distribution did you switch to and why? Windows then to Slackware, I have distro hopped for a few years back before v12, really just to see new features or try something out, but for the past few years its slackware only
 
Old 08-23-2018, 10:11 AM   #83
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I didn't actually stop using slackware. I did once consider installing it as my third sytem but got as far as reading the install instructions and decided it was too complicated.
Life's to short so I decided against it.
Sorry but I did not understand. You don't use Slackware at all or you already have it on two machines and did not want to install on a third one?
 
Old 08-23-2018, 11:50 AM   #84
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Isn't that the reason why they're slackbuilds and not precompiled binaries? So you can check them and customize them before they are packaged?
I covered that in my later comment.

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However, that is certainly one of the beauties of SlackBuilds over using pre-built binaries... you can easily decide what dependencies you want to use, even removing optional dependencies that the maintainer marked as "required".
 
Old 08-23-2018, 12:08 PM   #85
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Sorry but I did not understand. You don't use Slackware at all or you already have it on two machines and did not want to install on a third one?
Pete uses two systems: OpenSUSE versions Leap and Tumbleweed as mentioned on the left side of his post.

So that's actually an answer to a maybe future thread "Why don't you use Slackware?"
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:26 PM   #86
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@kjhambrick:

Quote:
Originally Posted by volkerdi
As far as Slackware 15.0 goes, I've been testing PAM and Kerberos here and have given quite some thought to trying to get them merged (or at least in /testing) so that we can have proper support for Active Directory and NFS.
Be ready to migrate your AD customers, just in case
Boy Howdy, are we ever ready !

-- kjh
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:18 PM   #87
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Sorry but I did not understand. You don't use Slackware at all or you already have it on two machines and did not want to install on a third one?
I don't think I could get much more explicit than what I wrote. Perhaps you should read it again.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 02:39 PM   #88
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I don't think I could get much more explicit than what I wrote. Perhaps you should read it again.
Ok, no problem. English is not my mother language, that is why I asked you to clarify.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 02:40 PM   #89
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Pete uses two systems: OpenSUSE versions Leap and Tumbleweed as mentioned on the left side of his post.

So that's actually an answer to a maybe future thread "Why don't you use Slackware?"
Now I get it. Thank you.

I will gladly follow your thread. I hope it will be interesting as this one.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 04:18 PM   #90
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This would make Slackware useless for people (like me) with old computers. It is unimaginable for me to recompile all KDE from the source on my computer. Hardware requirements is another reason why I am using Slackware. It just never failed even on very, very, very old computers (maybe older than some posters here). This is why I don't run Ubuntu eg. And I see no reason to spend money for new computer - this one I have with Slackware installed just serves me well.
I have yet to see a PC too slow to build KDE actually benefit of running it.

Then, again, I have yet to see a slow PC running leaner with KDE than with XFCE.

As i happened to run really tight platforms (both CPU and RAM wise)for a while I found this to be true for fluxbox as well - XFCE4 prevails even on the lower end for me - functionality wise.

Still building even the whole XFCE4 could prove an daunting task for an slow computer - i agree.

For that scenario I'm just grateful for the slackonly and slacky repositories of binary packages.

But the "usual" PC/Laptop would be served "just well enough" with X, XAP and the belonging light desktops of fluxbox or blackbox (since Firefox is included).

Maybe this seems a bit too extreme, but i feel a bit "unfair" to leave XFCE4 when no other "real" Desktop environment is included?

So we would have "GUI" from the start (fluxbox be most complex there) and all else be part of "ports" and contribution of the "1st ring" around the core team?

The core team could provide for the missing features while maintaining quite less packages and technology in general IMHO.

I'd rather see:
java (open JRE/SDK)
PAM
virtual users setup tool
more authentication technologies

than whatever:

Desktop,
Application or
GUI suite

as the part of the default install

on ports, however, yes we could have more packages/options there
 
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