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View Poll Results: Which Gnome flavour?
Dropline 32 45.71%
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Gware 14 20.00%
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:42 PM   #31
Stik
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I'm not going to sit here and say Frg and gware aren't worth using because they serve
their purpose of being basically what Pat would include if he was to include gnome.
I've used dropline for a very long time and have "NEVER" had a problem with it. As
a matter of fact, the "SYSTEM" stuff that it replaces has more often than not fixed
problems I may have had with stuff pat releases.. i.e. samba and udev to name a
couple over the past couple years and that cluster *#&% of a pack dhcp as of late.
Personally I like to keep my slackware cd's lying around so If for some reason I
want to remove gnome, I pop it in and reinstall. I still have a hard time with this
arguement I always see that dlg is hard to remove. Why in gods name would you
remove your desktop in the first place. Normally when you install gnome it's after
a fresh install anyhow and it only takes a few minutes to do another install if you
don't like it. For those who absolutely must remove gnome after installing it, yes
it does remove quite nicely. My only bitch would be that maybe the dlg guys should
post a list of "Replaced" packs so that one can go back and reinstall the old stuff
later on if need be. So anyway I guess it's not difficult to see what my vote is

p.s. Yes I know there was a list posted somewhere in the forums,
I mean an easily accessed list from the website would be nice..
 
Old 04-18-2006, 08:57 PM   #32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dunric
9.0 is more then 3 years old but it still gets its updates in 2006. How do you know updates for KDE are excluded ? Because last was in 2004 ? Do you know about some official unfixed vulnerability in KDE 3.1 or it's just your plain guessing ?
Search Google. The first link is a security advisory issued on 2003-04-09. Check out Slackware 9.0's KDE. Note the Slackware KDE package for 9.0 is version 3.1 (an affected version)and was dated 2003-03-16.

That's without looking too hard. It would seem that if he was guessing, it was a pretty good guess.
 
Old 04-18-2006, 10:00 PM   #33
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I personally vote for an option that is not on the list:

None.
 
Old 04-18-2006, 11:53 PM   #34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shilo
Search Google. The first link is a security advisory issued on 2003-04-09. Check out Slackware 9.0's KDE. Note the Slackware KDE package for 9.0 is version 3.1 (an affected version)and was dated 2003-03-16.

That's without looking too hard. It would seem that if he was guessing, it was a pretty good guess.
You are not looking in the correct directory:
Official Slackware KDE Patches & Updates

From KDE Advisory 20034009:
"The affected applications have been fixed in KDE 3.0.5b and
KDE 3.1.1a, both released today. We strongly recommend upgrading
to these releases.

KDE 3.0.5b can be downloaded from
download.kde.org/stable/3.0.5b

KDE 3.1.1a can be downloaded from
download.kde.org/stable/3.1.1a/

Please note that the KDE 3.1.1a release only consists of updates
to the affected KDE packages.
"


And the Slackware 9.0 20030417 Changelog:

"Thu Apr 17 15:32:15 PDT 2003
patches/packages/kde/*: Upgraded to KDE 3.1.1a. Also included in
this directory are a rebuild of Qt (linked with Xft2 rather than
Xft1), an updated aRts package (the aRts sound server is a
component of KDE, but ships as part of Slackware's L series), and
kdevelop-3.0a4a.

Note that this update addresses a security problem with KDE's
handling of PostScript documents. This is the overview of the
problem from the KDE site:"


The current Slackware build for this KDE release is 3.1.3(a).
 
Old 04-19-2006, 12:05 AM   #35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidtenmilion
Pat doesn't provide security updates for KDE though.
There is nothing different from Pat's support of KDE and dropline's support of gnome.
What is this nonsense? I've provided links in the above post demonstrating that Pat continues to provide security updates to his KDE packages all the way back to even the Slackware 9.0 release. Can Dropline say the same with its Gnome support?? Slack 9.0 has been continually updated with security fixes since June of 2002, and the KDE packages are included in those instances.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 02:31 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Xian
You are not looking in the correct directory:
Official Slackware KDE Patches & Updates
Doh! I apologize. You are correct.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 03:22 AM   #37
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I'll make a quick mention that I run Dropline. I've run Freerock (before there was a 64-bit port of Dropline), but once Dropline hit 64-bits, I switched back. The people who package it have almost no lives during the release months, and it shows in how well things fit together.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 11:31 AM   #38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xian
What is this nonsense? I've provided links in the above post demonstrating that Pat continues to provide security updates to his KDE packages all the way back to even the Slackware 9.0 release. Can Dropline say the same with its Gnome support?? Slack 9.0 has been continually updated with security fixes since June of 2002, and the KDE packages are included in those instances.
Somebody who only speaks about things he really understands finally found.
Why just people simple don't trust what I'm saying ? All these BS are only a waste.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 10:57 PM   #39
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Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stik
For those who absolutely must remove gnome after installing it, yes
it does remove quite nicely. My only bitch would be that maybe the dlg guys should
post a list of "Replaced" packs so that one can go back and reinstall the old stuff
later on if need be. So anyway I guess it's not difficult to see what my vote is

p.s. Yes I know there was a list posted somewhere in the forums,
I mean an easily accessed list from the website would be nice..
Replaced packages list is the first note on the download page:
http://dropline-gnome.sourceforge.net/download.html

 
Old 04-19-2006, 11:07 PM   #40
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Slackware users are like freaking lemmings... Pat says jump, 3/4 of
you all take a leap... Get over it. Pat does some great work, but he
is also if you haven't figured it out already, stuck back in the
80's. Not only that, just because he built it don't mean it's
necessarily correct. Sometimes stuff just needs replaced to work
correctly. If you can't deal with that then I feel for ya. If
dropline, frg, gware, or anyone else feels the need to replace some-
thing to make their desktop work right then they should be able to
without the rest of the community dumping loads in their pants
because they took sides with the devil and replaced one of their
gods slack packs. Personally I think the hardcore slackers need to
just stick to their 10,000,000 menu entry, 200,000,000 settings
dialogs, and everything plus the kitchen since built into the file/
webbrowser kde and quit worrying about what other desktop devs do
with their desktops and slackware... Wtf is it to you anyways :P
If you are that damn worried about replacing packs then maybe you
should talk to your fearless god into being more open to feedback
from his users as far as his packs are built and maybe, just maybe,
the likes of dlg, frg, gware, blah blah wouldn't have to replace
anything.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 11:14 PM   #41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stik
Slackware users are like freaking lemmings... Pat says jump, 3/4 of
you all take a leap... Get over it. Pat does some great work, but he
is also if you haven't figured it out already, stuck back in the
80's. Not only that, just because he built it don't mean it's
necessarily correct. Sometimes stuff just needs replaced to work
correctly. If you can't deal with that then I feel for ya. If
dropline, frg, gware, or anyone else feels the need to replace some-
thing to make their desktop work right then they should be able to
without the rest of the community dumping loads in their pants
because they took sides with the devil and replaced one of their
gods slack packs. Personally I think the hardcore slackers need to
just stick to their 10,000,000 menu entry, 200,000,000 settings
dialogs, and everything plus the kitchen since built into the file/
webbrowser kde and quit worrying about what other desktop devs do
with their desktops and slackware... Wtf is it to you anyways :P
If you are that damn worried about replacing packs then maybe you
should talk to your fearless god into being more open to feedback
from his users as far as his packs are built and maybe, just maybe,
the likes of dlg, frg, gware, blah blah wouldn't have to replace
anything.
Wow buddy, calm down. We're just talking about a guy they call Pat. Slackware users obcessing over him is no worse than the average linux users i see obcessing off Linus Torvalds. Some people idolize them. Do I? I respect them greatly for what they do, especially since I know I can't do it. But we're all entitled to our opinions.

Back to Slackware, I think Pat does an excellent job with it. He makes the distro he wants, period. Alot of people agree with him on that. His overall philosphy though, I can't argue with one bit. Though I've moved on from his distro.
 
Old 04-19-2006, 11:24 PM   #42
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Hey, I'd like to be able to iteratively release patches for 2.6, 2.8, 2.10, and 2.12, but it's neither feasible nor entirely sensible. Digging one's feet in and saying "I'm running 2.10 and I'm not upgrading to 2.12" isn't too much different than sticking with kernel 2.6.4 and expecting everyone to backport their patches for that specific release.

For the most part, the minor revision updates have represented fairly significant improvements each time. People should want to keep up. Lord knows you're going to be lucky to get a response from GNOME devs (that isn't "Why have you not yet upgraded?") if you start asking them for patches for packages from the 2.10 tree, for example. So let's not go comparing Pat issuing updates for Slackware 9 with expecting other people to issue updates for everything they've ever written. The KDE guys may focus on supporting two trees as separate codebases, but the GNOME guys don't work that way and they haven't worked that way in some time.

Last edited by evilDagmar; 04-19-2006 at 11:39 PM.
 
Old 04-20-2006, 07:32 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Penguin of Wonder
Wow buddy, calm down.
Must be a refugee from the mailing list.
 
Old 04-20-2006, 07:48 AM   #44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stik
...Wtf is it to you anyways...
it is my damn system, I can worry of it if I decide to

stability is an important matter to me (and any Slacker I guess), so I'm not using any non-official packages sometimes not even those on current
 
Old 04-20-2006, 08:04 PM   #45
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Non-official packages are stable too.

Like i said, just because pat built it does not mean it is not stable.

i have maybe 20 files sitting in ~/packages. They are just as stable as if pat had built them. You know why? Because pat's machine is not god. It cannot pump out bug free packages any more than any other machine, including the machines that dropline gnome devs use. Pat's packages are no more stable.
 
  


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