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Old 05-22-2020, 06:54 PM   #16
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Moving the init system to s6.

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Old 05-22-2020, 08:30 PM   #17
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Just my two cents worth, but what about the possibility of stabilizing what we have now to get 15.0 out the door, then merge Plasma5 and go straight to working on 16.0, skipping 15.1 and 15.2?
 
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:07 PM   #18
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Just my two cents worth, but what about the possibility of stabilizing what we have now to get 15.0 out the door, then merge Plasma5 and go straight to working on 16.0, skipping 15.1 and 15.2?
Release 15 with KDE 4 and Xfce 4.12? I don't want to think what the online reviews will be like.
 
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:17 PM   #19
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Just my two cents worth, but what about the possibility of stabilizing what we have now to get 15.0 out the door, then merge Plasma5 and go straight to working on 16.0, skipping 15.1 and 15.2?
If we've waited this long, it would be a massive disappointment to get a release that contains two quite outdated DEs. And these two DEs are probably the most popular DEs included with Slackware. Pat has been keeping everything else in the system pretty much up-to-date, so I think PAM was the hurdle to prevent those from getting added, and now that it's in, I think those will be added pretty soon.
 
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:16 AM   #20
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If he wants to put in Plasma 5, I think it is ready. I don't think Baloo (File Search) and the KDE wallet subsystem should be enabled at install. I'm not going to beg for the inclusion of Plasma 5, but I agree that KDE 4 needs to be removed and Xfce needs to be updated.
 
Old 05-23-2020, 02:58 AM   #21
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Just my two cents worth, but what about the possibility of stabilizing what we have now to get 15.0 out the door, then merge Plasma5 and go straight to working on 16.0, skipping 15.1 and 15.2?
It would have been a good idea maybe a year or so ago to drop a 14.3 as an intermediate. Much too late for that now. Upnort is spot on, a kde4 based release in 2020 simply won't fly.
 
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:48 AM   #22
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If he wants to put in Plasma 5, I think it is ready. I don't think Baloo (File Search) and the KDE wallet subsystem should be enabled at install. I'm not going to beg for the inclusion of Plasma 5, but I agree that KDE 4 needs to be removed and Xfce needs to be updated.
While I agree that kde4 is woefully outdated, as an "end user" I don't see any benefit to using Xfce-4.14 (vs 4.12). None.
 
Old 05-23-2020, 07:52 AM   #23
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I don't see any benefit to using Xfce-4.14 (vs 4.12). None.
That is what I was thinking too, there are no real user level changes in 4.14 vs 4.12, as far as I gather. OK, the rebasing on GTK3 was a big step and the new code can be maintained beter, but as a DE 4.12 isn't really out of date yet.
 
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:25 AM   #24
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The next big thing will be.... what ever Pat decides it will be.

Every time I say to myself after some changes in ChangeLog.txt, ah ha, this must be sign of ______ is next... I am somewhat disappointed. I do like surprises. So what ever is next is next. What ever that might be.
 
Old 05-23-2020, 11:29 AM   #25
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Upnort is spot on, a kde4 based release in 2020 simply won't fly.
I completely agree. I predict that Mr. Volkerding will weather the storm of criticism about taking a long time to release 15.0, and he will get it right. KDE5 and XFCE 4.14 will arrive in -current. Mr. Volkerding will thoroughly battle test the OS and when it meets his gold standard of excellence we will get 15.0.
 
Old 05-23-2020, 12:56 PM   #26
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While I agree that kde4 is woefully outdated, as an "end user" I don't see any benefit to using Xfce-4.14 (vs 4.12). None.
As an end user, there really isn't any benefit. xfce 4.14 should be almost the same as 4.12 to the end user. But for a package maintainer maintainer, it is probably better to stick with the GTK3 codebase as I imagine that security fixes and bugfixes are more likely to be applied to the 4.14 branch.
 
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:48 PM   #27
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As an end user, there really isn't any benefit. xfce 4.14 should be almost the same as 4.12 to the end user. But for a package maintainer maintainer, it is probably better to stick with the GTK3 codebase as I imagine that security fixes and bugfixes are more likely to be applied to the 4.14 branch.
This is what I was thinking about. The only reason in my mind not to go to a newer version would be stability concerns and I haven't heard anything (I don't go looking for it) about xfce 4.14 being unstable.
 
Old 05-23-2020, 08:45 PM   #28
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OK, OK! Turn off the heat! I see the point. I've been using plasma5 for almost 2 years, and while I still have a couple of squawks with it (mainly the PATHETIC user manager, which it looks like Eric has dumped for now), maybe they should to go ahead and push it into /testing to work out the kinks.
 
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Old 05-24-2020, 08:26 AM   #29
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It would have been a good idea maybe a year or so ago to drop a 14.3 as an intermediate. Much too late for that now. Upnort is spot on, a kde4 based release in 2020 simply won't fly.
Yes. "We are at the middle of the ford", as we say in french. So, now let's go ahead to the other side. What I'd like very much would be a foreseeable release policy. I really love slack, even if I sadly think it is not that hard to be the best linux distro nowadays, but it's really frustrating to expect a new -stable as the rain in the desert. The era of stable/devel separation is over in the linux ecosystem. I don't know if it's a good thing, but it's a fact. A release is now just a step in a continuous development where a soft is meant to be almost stable, so a distro can hardly be more than that. Target a release every ~18 months (24 being the very limit) would just be great.

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Old 05-24-2020, 11:11 AM   #30
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The only reason in my mind not to go to a newer version would be stability concerns and I haven't heard anything (I don't go looking for it) about xfce 4.14 being unstable.
I have not seen any stability issues with XFCE 4.14. I run it on OpenBSD 6.7 and it works well. I think it'll work well in Slackware.
 
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