I think you are twisting hitest's intention here. He is not saying Tobi can't speak up with his opinion. He's calling out his behavior that isn't him just sharing an opinion. In fact, the opposite is true, we know his opinions too well. It's hard to believe that you follow Tobi that closely, if you don't recognize he has been posting on this subject with a highly intense volume, that could come off as setting a bad example of a moderator.

4 members found this post helpful.

That's why I don't buy rebel causes (i.e. Stallman's).

This is gonna be good

1 members found this post helpful.

Stallman means well, but his views are a bit misguided on some levels.

As far as Tobi. I'm all for Tobi speaking his mind, and I gladly speak mine as well as this is the internet and free speech is still allowed on the global internet last I checked, but yes, seeing through another person's view point is going to be hit or miss, and even if you have all the facts, never escalate or instigate an issue. Always tone it down and de-escalate it. I've even said we may not see eye to eye on issues, but ripping someone apart over an error in view line by line is not discussing the issue; you're only tearing apart an entire statement, picking at components, and destroying the discussion all the prove wrongness. Discussion is discussion. Nit-picking isn't discussion.

To change points of view even when wrong you have to use subtlety on topics. While we all understand systemd is a topic that's falling off the edge of the cliffs subtlety due to how it's being pushed out (and yes it's a topic about as friendly as an alligator with a toothache), right or wrong, opinions and facts are going to fly every which way, and no two view points will be the same. Plus due to the fact an egotistical view is behind systemd, getting all the right and correct facts from the author of it, rather than egotistical opinions, is going to be hard.

2 members found this post helpful.

I knew that the English translation of what I wrote here:

http://roquesor.com/article-3.php

has an important feeble point, and you helped me to find it. To the end it could lead the reader to confuse cause and effect.

In Spanish it exists two words "conocimiento" and "saber" both translated to "knowledge" in English. But while "saber" implies to understand what you know, "conocimiento" means you have just the information.

Knowledge translated like "saber" is not information but the product of your thinking.

1 members found this post helpful.

I for two refuse to be a sheep!

Welcome to the real world!

Cheers

No worries, systemd is to be in Slackware, just a matter of time.
My guess is 2016

How so? Do you plan on usurping Patrick from his BDFL position and taking over the project yourself? Do you have the true Crystal Ball that can see the future? Please do give full explanations as to how you arrived at this conclusion, and skimping on the details.

Plenty of alternatives to systemd exist and continue to exist in modular formats and segregated projects, so what is it's purpose for Slackware if these alternatives exist and can be easily used? What problems will systemd even solve for Slackware?

Patrick has a history of avoiding fadware and poorly designed software for Slackware almost to the point it's mind boggling, however everyone that knows this trend of Patrick knows full well Patrick only adds software to Slackware that is truly required to bring functionality and resolve dependencies and problems, rather than the opposite.

It seems that some people can't take a joke

Sorry if jokes with about as much potential as President Barack Obama's legacy don't pan out too well.

1 members found this post helpful.

That is correct an umpire who enforces the rules of conduct on the field should not be opinionated. I do believe he as a user should be able to pull the label off and reply as a user not as moderator. How ever LQ handles that it would be fine.
Power of admin is nothing to be taken lightly. As for systemd well I got my Slack back a long time ago and I am a slacker because of the development team has the
Highest standards.
As I have said befor Linus could give a rats butt about systemd it is the Linux foundation and the big money. What he cares about is people creating to much\
work for his devel team. In defense to TobiSGD
I really do not see anyone urinating just people thinking it through.

Not of course, let's just call it a prediction based on situation analysis.
Currently there are two ways for Slackware:
1). adopt systemd
2). die out

What do you think Patrick will choose?



Couldn't find so far.


PS: my other guess - systemd will be adopted in a sysvint-compatibility mode, i.e. all the rc.d scrips will remain in place while services (like Apache and so) will use native systemd units.

2 members found this post helpful.

Patrick will choose sanity first even if it means not becoming another Fedora clone. Slackware has survived without a lot of what the mainstream Linux uses such as dependency resolution, so chances are we'll never see it.

Why do you say Slackware will die out without systemd? Do we need binary journals, yet another udev re-implementation, and supposedly one-size-fits-all service files from upstream rather than the distribution itself? I don't see the need for that useless trashware.

Sorry, not buying it. Slackware isn't ArchLinux, Debian, or another Fedora-wanna-be. Slackware is Slackware, a unique and time tested distribution that isnt mainstream, not makes any attempt to be mainstream. If you don't like Slackware, please by all means find a distribution that suits your tastes.

3 members found this post helpful.

I'm with SSL but I think it'll take more than 18 months.

ReaperX7, I won't even loose time by trying to explain you how much you're wrong in almost everything you claim about systemd.
Honestly I skimmed the thread, and on the behalf of every sane person here all I have to tell you is:

[MODERATED]