If Slackware adds systemd, I have my reservations that Patrick will not be the one to add it.

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Interoperability is the keyword. It lets you build powerful solutions with interchangeable parts of your choice based on standardized interfaces. The PC is an example of this, Unix (POSIX) is another one and partially even Android.

Naturally the Linux community is not good at this. Just look at the two popular, but completely incompatible software packaging systems. Or look at desktop software, that only works on a specific Linux distribution. The CoreOS "unification" attempt doesn't change that. It just tries to force one single implementation on anyone, while squeezing out the others, and then declares it the "unified implementation". The people behind "CoreOS" stated multiple times, that they don't care for standards or interoperability, because they think it's "holding them back". It is in fact the same mindset some other well-known PC software companies have.

The unconditional success of pure big companies monetary interest over software quality is warranted by gregarious spirits like yours.

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The community of Linux has the tools to fight back and prevent systemd from being adopted. Red Hat is but one entity, but even they've got their limits.

Sad part is, few are willing to help save Linux from this bad software while the rest wade and wander along like sheep.

I for one refuse to be a sheep.

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Volkerdi stated many times that he doesn't like systemd

I'm not willing to drive myself to distraction over something that I cannot control. Patrick has a proven track record as the maintainer of Slackware. I trust his judgement. He knows what he is doing.

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There's absolutely no doubt about it. However I believe that will happen when he too will have no other choice, not because he will see something better in that. Of course that's just my n00b idea. Bob knows better.

Regards.

This.

I think a moderator should be permitted to express his opinion the same as anyone. I hope Tobi never ceases to do so, as I would miss reading his posts. He is one of the few people in these debates with the technical knowledge to back up his opinions (and I make this judgment by his statements rather than his distro), and I learn a lot from him.

Using this sort of tactic to try to silence a reasonable voice you don't agree with is a low blow, in my opinion.

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Most people voluntary confuse cause and effect in this subject, like saying 'Hey, it's not my fault'. This world is ruled by supply and demand, consumers have the last word.

Using the command line day by day you learn naturally to dialog with your OS in that way and you get naturally involved in shell scripting. One day, without noticing it, you end up reading rc scripts like talking to your mom. Then you know that shell scripting is not for writing applications (i.e. getops in bash is idiocy) you write and modify shell scripts for yourself, for your specific need, and generally for today, tomorrow you'll perhaps need to change something. See them like smart configuration files. To write applications for everybody and for the posterity you have C.

Once you understand the above you see why people, depending the use they do of the computer don't see a value in preserving sysv-init and see a need in systemd.

That's why I criticize those that advocate the use of friendly desktops. The more people understand the value of command line and shell scripting the more chance we have to preserve a clever (clever in the sense of hackable, customizable) system.

All of you, users, have the power. Supply and demand. Money is where people put it, that rules big companies.

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I'll continue my DVD subscription as long as there's no systemd infecting Slackware. Shrug If Pat wants to "unify" the Slackware base so be it. The RHT people are constantly harping to go use something else if we don't like it. I will not let the door hit me on the way out ;-). I will just say "thanks Pat" and "What a long strange trip it's been", and move on to enjoy my twisty maze of init scripts somewhere else.

Peace.

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Sure. I don't make donations to distros that run systemd. I financially support Slackware(I have a subscription) and I buy OpenBSD CDs from time to time.
If Pat is forced into a corner and absolutely must run systemd I will rethink my position about systemd. Currently I continue to happily run Slackware and OpenBSD.

Doing the exact opposite of something is also imitation. Just a thought.

This sounds very metaphysical and a very interesting way of considering action/reaction/motivation. I'd never run into this exact saying before. I looked it up and find I am in for some very interesting reading in the near future. I'm looking at reading The Laws of Imitation by Gabriel de Tarde. Have you read this?

I think as long as sane projects exist as alternatives in modularity to the conglomerate of systemd, and address the needs of the users, distributions that refuse to be sheep and drink the kool-aid will thrive without it.

If the rest all want to be Fedora clones, let them. When enough donations, users, and sponsorships dry up they'll learn.

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