@germany_chris. So just curious, how do you know someone is wrong? If I understand you, your own opinion is not sufficient for you. I understand my opinion, for example, or anyone else's isn't sufficient for you, and vice versa perhaps, but do you ever decide that someone is definitely wrong about something?

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Instead of feeding Germany_chris, I'm gonna try and do something productive. I'm going to test and maybe help develop eudev. Doing this should allow users to choose their own init system rather than being locked-in to systemd. That is exactly what it is and what they are trying to do, to lock-in Linux users to use only systemd and nothing else. It's not gonna happen if I can help it. If it does, I move to BSD, but at least I tried to prevent it.

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The meaning of "Linux distribution" already changed. It isn't about building different but compatible Linux-based operating systems anymore. Nowadays it means you take some Arch, Debian/Ubuntu or Fedora derivative, change the default desktop theme/icon set and voila: you have own "distro" and get media coverage for that. Reason for people doing that is because they don't really know, how stuff works under the hood. The knowledge about that gets re-monopolized.

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Facts show something is wrong not perception of events or slip and slides.

That's exactly what you should do and what reaper has done.

The more people are willing to work on alternatives and support efforts surrounding them, the less monopolistic holds will cling to an environment.

You don't have to know C code to write effective scripts. You don't have to have a Bachelor's in Computer Science to help test a project. All you need is willpower, a willingness to learn, and the ability to step out of a comfort zone for five seconds and at least try.

Just like the quote from Field of Dreams, "If you build it, they will come." All you have to do is try to help, and people will see there is an effort and they will come to help. Even if all you get is one person helping, that's still more help then no help at all.

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I know bash and C quite well, so I'm sure I can do something to help. I will have more time next week tho, so I'll try to contact the devs then.

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That's deadly accurate.

And do you know how this behavior has spread amongst all these retards posers ?

Well, I present to you : Remastersys !

http://www.remastersys.com/

With this thing, you can automate the process you've described and create you own fucking fake distro, out of fucking nowhere, and pretent that you are a true maintainer !

The gold part of this drama is that EVEN the main developer of this tool got SICK and ASHAMED about all those abuses.

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Hell, I could probably get my GoogleCode account expanded to include a project fork if needed. Plus there's github.

Real distributions offer uniqueness. Slackware is the best example of this. Compared to other distributions, Slackware really is a different distribution all to itself with many innovations not found, seen, or duplicated in any other distribution.

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Yes. Personally, I've not disagreed with many of PV's design decisions.

Leaving PAM out made life simple for me. Dropping GNOME made the full installation a lot neater.

BITD, there were some long flame wars on the local boards between advocates of Slackware's BSD-style init and fans of Debian's 'true' SYS V style init. It is astounding to me that the Debian community seem to have embraced systemd, given the nature of the thing and their generally 'purist' view.

While PV continues to ignore systemd, he'll continue to have me as a loyal user of his product... Although, I really hope that the next version comes on a bootable USB stick... Pat, are you listening?

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Not only that, but Patrick's BSD style is one of several as well.

Many BSD style inits use a rc.conf script to load daemons similar to how FreeBSD does theirs. CRUX uses this method. I think Arch used to. Only Patrick's Slackware does a scan for, execute if executable, and load method using the rc.S and rc.M scripts.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean, you can do this already.

(Or do you mean the subscription version? If so, ignore me sorry...)

PV's hand being forced into adopting systemd doesn't seem like a reason to shift allegiances at all. If anything, it would seem like Slackware would be the distro with the least hassle that zealous lockstep kernel and systemd updating brings. Running Arch post SysV/rc.conf seemed (to me) an aggravating exercise in the name of early adoption, so it is quite comforting to know that if that day ever came, at least there wouldn't be those frequent complications that come with the bleeding edge & newer > stable approaches.

No blasphemy intended, of course.

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I'm regularly installing Slackware on machines without optical drives: netbooks, HP Proliant Microserver, etc. Check out AlienBob's USB installer scripts. Dead easy.

Me too, but I wanna do it with a Slackware branded USB stick I bought from the Slackware store.

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