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Old 06-09-2021, 06:59 PM   #496
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I would just once like to see someone do something that doesn't force all the "features" on ALL their users. Maybe a plugin system would be a better route for browser devs to take instead of including everything in the default.
I don't understand this : the new mail, calendar and RSS features are optional. You can install the browser without them. And besides the configurability of the interface, there's no other bloat in Vivaldi, other than a Notes panel. If you want other plugins they're at the Chrome Extension store.
 
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Old 06-09-2021, 07:28 PM   #497
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I don't understand this : the new mail, calendar and RSS features are optional. You can install the browser without them. And besides the configurability of the interface, there's no other bloat in Vivaldi, other than a Notes panel. If you want other plugins they're at the Chrome Extension store.
So what you are saying is that the new mail, calendar and RSS are not included in the downloaded package and downloaded only after Vivaldi is installed and the features are selected? That does make some sense if that is the way it is done, it just doesn't seem that way.

And just comparing the size difference from when I started using Vivaldi (2.8.1664.44, ~1.5 years ago) to today is ~25%. If the price of cigars went up that much in the same time, I would quit smoking.
 
Old 06-10-2021, 02:58 AM   #498
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Well, the .tgz package (built with ruario's latest-vivaldi script) has indeed grown from 111.5 to 114 MB with the transition from 3.8 to 4.0.
Pricing hasn't changed, though: €/$/£ 0.00. Value for (no) money!
 
Old 06-10-2021, 06:43 AM   #499
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Vivaldi Mail is announced as Beta so one shouldn't expect it to be flawless, but:
After creating a mail account (gmail, imap) mails are fetched and unread mails are displayed. After marking mails as read, all I see is "No messages in selected view". I can't find out how to display mail folders (inbox, sent, trash and so on). Nor can I find a way to compose messages. Still clueless after looking at every option in vivaldi://settings/mail/
 
Old 06-10-2021, 07:04 AM   #500
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Vivaldi Mail is announced as Beta so one shouldn't expect it to be flawless, but:
After creating a mail account (gmail, imap) mails are fetched and unread mails are displayed. After marking mails as read, all I see is "No messages in selected view". I can't find out how to display mail folders (inbox, sent, trash and so on). Nor can I find a way to compose messages. Still clueless after looking at every option in vivaldi://settings/mail/
Hit F4 and mail will open up in the panel. There you will find all folders and other ways to categorise mails.
 
Old 06-10-2021, 07:11 AM   #501
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Hit F4 and mail will open up in the panel. There you will find all folders and other ways to categorise mails.
Thanks, but not quite enough... "Mail" must first be added manually to the panel by right-clicking panel and checking "Mail". Maybe obvoius to many users, but not to me...
 
Old 06-10-2021, 10:53 AM   #502
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......Vivaldi is a great browser......
.......which are slowly catching up with Opera 12's.......
I was a big fan of the original Opera and bought every new release until it became "free."
There is an old Opera mouse pad around here somewhere. Until a few months ago I use to install opera-12.16-x86_64-1ro.txz just for old times sake and use it once in a while, but eventually, it got to the point it no longer works on most sites.
I keep trying Vivaldi, but don't trust it, one, and, two, it reports itself as Chrome and I've come to extremely dislike anything to do with google.
As to the trust issue, and I've asked this before, probably in this same thread, but how can Vivaldi remember where you have been IF you have deleted all the history, private data, etc.?
I've done so, many, many times, and have gone so far as to close the session and restart the browser, but when I go to a site, e.g., distrowatch, the links I've clicked on in the past are highlighted. How can that be if I deleted the history and site information?
Just the other morning after I updated to 4.0 and went to a site, a link was highlighted and I hadn't visited that site in quite a while.
Something is not right.
Then on a minor note, every time I update I have to edit /usr/local/opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css to get rid of the bar what goes across the width of the screen.
End of rant.
Thanks for listening.

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Old 06-10-2021, 11:17 AM   #503
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Then on a minor note, every time I update I have to edit /usr/local/opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css to get rid of the bar what goes across the width of the screen.
I believe that there is actually a setting for this now in the "Start Page" settings called "Start Page Navigation". Set it to "Hide Titles" and it goes away. At least it does for me.

But I agree that when the history is cleared, links should not be viewed as they have already been clicked. That tells me that the history has not actually been cleared.
 
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Old 06-10-2021, 12:12 PM   #504
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I believe that there is actually a setting for this now in the "Start Page" settings called "Start Page Navigation". Set it to "Hide Titles" and it goes away. At least it does for me........
Many thanks! That does the trick!
Greatly appreciated!
 
Old 06-10-2021, 06:10 PM   #505
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So what you are saying is that the new mail, calendar and RSS are not included in the downloaded package and downloaded only after Vivaldi is installed and the features are selected? That does make some sense if that is the way it is done, it just doesn't seem that way.

And just comparing the size difference from when I started using Vivaldi (2.8.1664.44, ~1.5 years ago) to today is ~25%. If the price of cigars went up that much in the same time, I would quit smoking.
Not at the computer now but from memory: go to vivaldi://welcome and the first page there (you should see dots on the right to navigate) will allow you to choose essential, standard or full. Mail and calendars are either uninstalled or deactivated in essential and standard.
 
Old 06-10-2021, 06:12 PM   #506
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@cwizardone: I've never looked closely at this problem you have. I'll check tomorrow and see if I can figure it out.

I'm not happy either with the Chrome tie-up but I have to be pragmatic.
 
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:14 PM   #507
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I think the options on the "welcome" page are just settings templates. The mail-related files (icons, mail.html, etc.) are included in the original package.
 
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Old 06-11-2021, 10:07 AM   #508
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As to the trust issue, and I've asked this before, probably in this same thread, but how can Vivaldi remember where you have been IF you have deleted all the history, private data, etc.?
I've done so, many, many times, and have gone so far as to close the session and restart the browser, but when I go to a site, e.g., distrowatch, the links I've clicked on in the past are highlighted. How can that be if I deleted the history and site information?
Just the other morning after I updated to 4.0 and went to a site, a link was highlighted and I hadn't visited that site in quite a while.
Something is not right.
I installed Vivaldi in a clean Slackware current. Some thoughts:

1) If I was on a page -- for example, the Deepin page at Distrowatch -- at the time I cleared all cookies and history, then returning to DW afterwards would show that page link as visited. However, if I visited that page, then returned to the DW main page, and then deleted all data, the link would not show up as visited after re-opening the browser.

2) Other sites were signed out and no cookies remained in Vivaldi Settings. I tested Fastmail, Linuxquestions, YouTube, uDemy and a couple of news sites. These tabs were open but not loaded and not signed in.

3) However, if I visited chrome://settings and then Privacy > Advanced, I could see that cookies from two of the sites listed above remained in the browser. I presume, therefore, that the Chrome component of Vivaldi is doing its own tracking, independently of Vivaldi, and that what it saves is inaccessible to Vivaldi when you clear the Vivaldi cache. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Do no evil, said Google. About 20 years ago.

These cookies did not show up in Vivaldi's native settings dialog.

I tested this without any extensions -- ad blockers or script blockers -- and with Trackers blocked in Vivaldi's Privacy settings but not Ads.

I did not set up Vivaldi Sync, to make sure no private data was restored to the browser after clearing the cache.

I can't really add anything else. I'm happy with Vivaldi, though I have a visceral dislike for Google and all the other tech giants who think you are there as a commodity for them to monetise, profile and track. At the end of the day, I'm 54 and pragmatic. If I wait for the perfect browser in the perfect world with a user's privacy considered sacrosanct I will be long dead. HTH

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Old 06-11-2021, 10:46 AM   #509
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Gerard Lally,
Many thanks for the information!
Greatly appreciated!
 
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BTW, speaking of Opera and Vivaldi, whatever happened to ruario?
According to his profile he hasn't posted in 4-1/2 years, but I don't think that is correct.
 
  


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