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Old 05-25-2019, 11:39 AM   #211
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Probably, help yourself: https://vivaldi.com/source/
But beware, as far as I know Vivaldi is almost open-source i.e source code is not available for all its components...
Thanks, I downloaded the latest tarball (vivaldi-source_2.5.1525.tar.xz) which is 1484 MB compressed. It consists of 7.3 GB of chromium source and 20 MB of vivaldi source, but from looking at the existing vivaldi source there are some crucial files missing which I suspect may contain the relevant code. For example the entire net and services directories are missing, but clearly should exist as they can be seen as includes in other files.

I would personally consider the claims to be entirely false unless they can be properly audited.
 
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:46 AM   #212
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Thanks, I downloaded the latest tarball (vivaldi-source_2.5.1525.tar.xz) which is 1484 MB compressed. It consists of 7.3 GB of chromium source and 20 MB of vivaldi source, but from looking at the existing vivaldi source there are some crucial files missing which I suspect may contain the relevant code. For example the entire net and services directories are missing, but clearly should exist as they can be seen as includes in other files.

I would personally consider the claims to be entirely false unless they can be properly audited.
This may help:

https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-...i-open-source/

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Vivaldi is not made available under one unified open source license. It does contain the Chromium source code with changes made to allow the HTML/CSS/JS based UI to run. All changes to the Chromium source code are made available under a BSD license and can be read by anyone on vivaldi.com/source/. Details in this regard are explained in the the README and LICENSE files within the package.

In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit.
 
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:53 AM   #213
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That doesn't remotely help and is not even relevant...

The problem is as far as I can tell is that none of the net code is publicly available and the core of vivaldi is essentially a black box. There is something inherently untrustworthy about someone that handles a security sensitive service and tells people to just trust them while not offering any transparency. Not to mention its not remotely reproducible as is.
 
Old 05-26-2019, 09:13 AM   #214
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That doesn't remotely help and is not even relevant...
Hence my wording of "this may help".

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The problem is as far as I can tell is that none of the net code is publicly available and the core of vivaldi is essentially a black box. There is something inherently untrustworthy about someone that handles a security sensitive service and tells people to just trust them while not offering any transparency. Not to mention its not remotely reproducible as is.
A couple of interesting posts on the matter:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/2444...source-vivaldi
https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrow...ource/de8h5kr/

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for now Vivaldi has some unique features that other companies would like, Google with Chrome first. Vivaldi being still a fairly new browser that also wants its share of the market, completely releasing its code would be suicide. It is understood therefore that Jon at the moment wants to safeguard his inventions.

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Old 05-26-2019, 12:01 PM   #215
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Found another issue with vivaldi browser. For some reason it want's to create a new keyring after each PC reboot and thus all my saved passwords are lost :O My .cache folder is now full of keyring-someid directories. Same things happen with both SBo version and repackaged deb version.
 
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Found another issue with vivaldi browser. For some reason it want's to create a new keyring after each PC reboot and thus all my saved passwords are lost :O My .cache folder is now full of keyring-someid directories. Same things happen with both SBo version and repackaged deb version.
This is an ongoing issue with Chromium that I have also had pre-Vivaldi in my Debian days.

This should help:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/324844/227411
 
Old 05-27-2019, 05:38 AM   #217
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Thanks, deleting all those stray keyrings and then running Vivaldi with --pasword-store=basic for 1st run, seems to have helped:

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$ vivaldi-stable --password-store=basic "$@"
Creation of random keyrings have stopped even if I am running it normally now. However, my passwords are simply not there after PC restart...

Anyhow, it was fun while it lasted. Back to Firefox now

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Old 06-08-2019, 05:21 AM   #218
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Answer from Vivaldi about what is going on regarding Manifest v3 / ad blocking extension restriction by Google
 
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