Thanks, but not quite enough... "Mail" must first be added manually to the panel by right-clicking panel and checking "Mail". Maybe obvoius to many users, but not to me...

I was a big fan of the original Opera and bought every new release until it became "free."
There is an old Opera mouse pad around here somewhere. :) Until a few months ago I use to install opera-12.16-x86_64-1ro.txz just for old times sake and use it once in a while, but eventually, it got to the point it no longer works on most sites.
I keep trying Vivaldi, but don't trust it, one, and, two, it reports itself as Chrome and I've come to extremely dislike anything to do with google.
As to the trust issue, and I've asked this before, probably in this same thread, but how can Vivaldi remember where you have been IF you have deleted all the history, private data, etc.?
I've done so, many, many times, and have gone so far as to close the session and restart the browser, but when I go to a site, e.g., distrowatch, the links I've clicked on in the past are highlighted. How can that be if I deleted the history and site information?
Just the other morning after I updated to 4.0 and went to a site, a link was highlighted and I hadn't visited that site in quite a while.
Something is not right.
Then on a minor note, every time I update I have to edit /usr/local/opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css to get rid of the bar what goes across the width of the screen.
End of rant.
Thanks for listening.
:)

I believe that there is actually a setting for this now in the "Start Page" settings called "Start Page Navigation". Set it to "Hide Titles" and it goes away. At least it does for me.

But I agree that when the history is cleared, links should not be viewed as they have already been clicked. That tells me that the history has not actually been cleared.

Many thanks! That does the trick!
Greatly appreciated!
:thumbsup:

Not at the computer now but from memory: go to vivaldi://welcome and the first page there (you should see dots on the right to navigate) will allow you to choose essential, standard or full. Mail and calendars are either uninstalled or deactivated in essential and standard.

@cwizardone: I've never looked closely at this problem you have. I'll check tomorrow and see if I can figure it out.

I'm not happy either with the Chrome tie-up but I have to be pragmatic.

I think the options on the "welcome" page are just settings templates. The mail-related files (icons, mail.html, etc.) are included in the original package.

I installed Vivaldi in a clean Slackware current. Some thoughts:

1) If I was on a page -- for example, the Deepin page at Distrowatch -- at the time I cleared all cookies and history, then returning to DW afterwards would show that page link as visited. However, if I visited that page, then returned to the DW main page, and then deleted all data, the link would not show up as visited after re-opening the browser.

2) Other sites were signed out and no cookies remained in Vivaldi Settings. I tested Fastmail, Linuxquestions, YouTube, uDemy and a couple of news sites. These tabs were open but not loaded and not signed in.

3) However, if I visited chrome://settings and then Privacy > Advanced, I could see that cookies from two of the sites listed above remained in the browser. I presume, therefore, that the Chrome component of Vivaldi is doing its own tracking, independently of Vivaldi, and that what it saves is inaccessible to Vivaldi when you clear the Vivaldi cache. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Do no evil, said Google. About 20 years ago.

These cookies did not show up in Vivaldi's native settings dialog.

I tested this without any extensions -- ad blockers or script blockers -- and with Trackers blocked in Vivaldi's Privacy settings but not Ads.

I did not set up Vivaldi Sync, to make sure no private data was restored to the browser after clearing the cache.

I can't really add anything else. I'm happy with Vivaldi, though I have a visceral dislike for Google and all the other tech giants who think you are there as a commodity for them to monetise, profile and track. At the end of the day, I'm 54 and pragmatic. If I wait for the perfect browser in the perfect world with a user's privacy considered sacrosanct I will be long dead. HTH

Gerard Lally,
Many thanks for the information!
Greatly appreciated!
:hattip:

BTW, speaking of Opera and Vivaldi, whatever happened to ruario?
According to his profile he hasn't posted in 4-1/2 years, but I don't think that is correct.

According to forum searching, he last posted in Sep of 2020.

First minor update to Vivaldi Desktop Browser 4.0 (2312.25):
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...p-browser-4-0/
Second minor update to Vivaldi Desktop Browser 4.0 (2312.27):
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...p-browser-4-0/

A couple of minor updates to Vivaldi Desktop 4.0 (2312.41):

https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...p-browser-4-0/
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...r-desktop-4-0/
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...r-desktop-4-0/
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...r-desktop-4-0/

Vivaldi Desktop 4.1 is available (2369.11):
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-int...ommand-chains/

Two minor updates to Vivaldi Desktop 4.1 (2369.18):
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...e-desktop-4-1/
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...p-browser-4-1/

And I still see/have issues.

Third minor update to Vivaldi Desktop 4.1 (2369.21)
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/min...p-browser-4-1/

Recently I received an e-mail from the "Vivaldi Team" saying that,
As Vivaldi is not considered to be open source I image that must be ruffling some feathers among some of their users.

Great! Well done, Manjaro! Anything that accelerates the demise of Mozilla with their "manifesto" (when did we elect them to speak on our behalf?) and their multi-million Google tie-up is A Good Thing.

Here is the blog post, it was just yesterday: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-is-...manjaro-linux/

How about security?
I've just spent several minutes scanning a few articles on web browser security and Firefox was considered the "best" in each case.
OTOH, it doesn't matter. As long as Vivaldi reports itself as chrome it will never be my regular browser.

What "manifesto" are you talking about?

What does "...multi-million Google tie-up..." mean?

Not trying to be snide or snarky, honestly asking what those two things are.

The Mozilla Manifesto.

Off the top of my head I can remember at least one occasion when Mozilla teamed up with Google and other US tech giants to block the Kazakhstan government taking action inside its own borders. I don't care what the Kazakhstan government were doing ; I don't care about the rights and wrongs. It's not up to US tech giants to interfere in the political or social affairs of any other country. Some of them also made veiled threats to withdraw from Ireland if certain referendums in recent years didn't go the way they wanted.

Nobody elected Mozilla to speak on our behalf, to "protect" us from Russia and its allies (Kazakhstan among them), to intervene wherever Mozilla think security and privacy have been violated, or to unilaterally bestow upon themselves jurisdiction over the internet, no matter what their intentions. If they want to make the transition from tech organisation to political party let them be open about it, instead of hiding behind their syrupy manifestos which do nothing more than pay lip service to users' rights, while they violate those rights themselves by sabotaging the work of elected representatives in another country.

Mozilla and Google interfere with democratically-elected government in Kazakhstan

I think that refers to revenue from Google for having Google's search engine as default in Firefox.

For example:
from https://www.computerworld.com/articl...-contract.html

I don't understand your position here. You wish "the demise of Mozilla" because they teamed up with Google to interfere in the internal affairs of foreign countries, because they are paid by Google for most of their resources (and thus under some Google influence).

By your own account, Google looks guilty of at least the same sins. This would imply that you wish even more strongly "the demise of Google", right?

Any plan to boycott Chrome/chromium/webkit-based browsers beyond Mozilla?

PS. Regarding their "syrupy manifesto", I guess you have the same critical views regarding the overall Google public communication, including their historical "don't be evil" motto (discreetly retired in 2018)

It's not hard to understand. People elect representatives to take decisions on their behalf; they don't elect private foundations or corporate tech giants to do so, at least not outside the US. So if Mozilla, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter and the rest want to dictate how people are governed in other countries, then yes, I hope for their speedy demise. The internet can go back to html and css ; no need for JavaScript. So it should be easy to come up with successors to Firefox and Chrome and all their clones. We never voted for Mozilla or Google or Microsoft to represent us, to speak on our behalf, to override political decisions far beyond their jurisdiction, to claim they are defending our security and privacy. If the price of their demise is a return to a more primitive web, then great! I'd be only too delighted.

Agreed, the trend of corporations injecting themselves into social issues that are at best tangentially relevant to their mission is one of many recent trends that I strongly dislike. Mozilla has been particularly egregious here. Their CEO's salary has increased while Firefox's market share has dropped precipitously, they have made public statements that I interpret as directly hostile to freedom of speech and expression, and their foundation behaves more like an activist NGO than a vehicle for advancement of Internet technologies. Google is hardly much better but at least Chromium is a quality product. Unfortunately modern web APIs are so complex now that implementations more or less require a level of investment and resources that only large corporations can provide. There are alternative engines out there, but the tradeoffs in functionality are quite large.

Meh...I see nothing dire nor nefarious in anything they have in the Manifest nor what they did with/during the Kazakhsatan thing. My only concern is that Mozilla stop its dealings with Google, since Google is the one who is nefarious in its operations as far as I'm concerned.

Mozilla, together with the other US tech giants, moved to block the implementation of a Kazakh government decree. If it doesn't concern you that private, unelected foundations and corporations in the US, with no mandate whatsoever to represent anyone, can interfere in the affairs of a sovereign government elsewhere, just because that government is an ally of Russia, then don't complain when they do the same to you, or when the Russians interfere in your politics.

Once again, a private foundation taking clear sides in the anti-Russia hysteria gripping the US is not a foundation representing me or in any way protecting my online security and privacy.

No, what I don't understand is not that. What I don't understand is the following:

By your own account, Google does the same things that Mozilla does. Given their market share, Google's decision impact in the Kazakhstan case you cited is obviously much larger than Mozilla's decision.

In your first post, regarding Manjaro replacing Firefox with Vivaldi, you said:

So, no, I don't understand how "losing" firefox and replacing it with a Goggle-based browser is a good thing for you.

I think that an absolute Google monopoly on browsers is a real risk for all of us (and yes, I am worried when I see that Google is by far the main cash resource for Mozilla).

I never replaced Firefox, since I never used it. But I agree : I'm not happy we're essentially reduced to three browser engines, and Vivaldi uses one of them. This is offset by the Vivaldi team's respect for the user, not on any political stance beyond their remit.

I also use -- increasingly so -- Safari on the iPad, and Qutebrowser. When you're 54, diabetic, and not sure whether you have five, ten or twenty years left, you opt for pragmatism over principle. That doesn't mean you're happy with the direction these foundations and companies are taking the web.

Google, Apple, Mozilla did not block the implementation of a Kazakh government decree. I don't see any sovereignty issue here.

On one hand, any company in the free world, is free to make any modification to their products. But they have to live with the consequences: They will be able to sell or distribute it as long as the product respects the local, country-enforced regulations for each of their target markets.

On the other hand, the sovereign Kazakh government can pass any internet legislation they see fit, mandating the use of their own CA. Then, they should ban any product not complying with their laws and regulations.

They could force their own browser on to their people. And they could even just take Firefox or Chromium source (that's the beauty of Open Source!), make it compliant to their regulations and so, with a very small investment, produce their own mandatory-for-all Kazakh-browser.


On this, I couldn't agree more..!

Vivaldi Desktop 4.2 RC
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/viv...-rc-1-desktop/
https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/viv...-rc-2-desktop/

Vivaldi Desktop 4.2 (2406.44)
https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/vivald...ore-privately/

Google implemented their own password encrypted data base built into the browser. it is based on sqlite. Not very good.
But this is the main reason why it forces you to GPG or Kwallet. Unless the told on start up not to.
Opera does it better. The real issue was many people embed chromium into Steam-Games Games. Skype etc etc. . This caused a ton of
issues every time you started a game.

First Create the cookie that is kept to say I looked at your kwallet or GPG no need to look it up.
Skype does this if you set to auto login. Most builds do then when the cookie expires and it does you are asked to do it again put in your kwallet password set for that program.
Not impressed with google chromium or chrome password manager. It raised a ton of alarms when they implemented it.
Very easy hack if your at someones desktop.

The new audio server built in has been a serious issues. I have no clue why people want to use this huge blob of bugs. or any derivative of it.
Vivaldi just like Opera build there wrapper around it. They call them extensions.

Firefox has really lead the way last 18 months on stability and security.

Most serious programs that encrypt your password associate it with your UUID and IP if either change your encrypted passwords are wiped.
That isn't true for Vivaldi Opera Chromium skype etc etc etc all Chrome stuff.

How is that even measurable? I've been using Vivaldi since the beginning and it's never once been unstable. It's extremely fast, and renders all pages properly. As for security, I keep passwords on my phone, in an offline manager. I have a script blocker in Vivaldi. The web is more insecure than the browser, and if you have script blocking on all domains but the parent domain, you cut out -- I would imagine -- 99 percent of attacks, no matter what browser you use. Sure, the Vivaldi UI might be insecure (is it programmed in Electron or something like that?), but then, so might the Firefox UI. It's not that long since Firefox went through a major overhaul -- has anyone audited all the new browser code since?

@lovemeslk,
Thanks for the information.
BTW, isn't Opera (really in name only) owned by a Chinese government controlled investment group?

You can fetch my personal repack here if you like:

vivaldi-stable-4.2.2406.44-x86_64-1ruario.txz (hosted on downloads.vivaldi.com since I am a Vivaldi employee)

(This file has a SHA256 sum of 'ce835880d5d5a2e4b78796967376fdb391bc854a9b8c6feff69c2451fe852f21')

This was repacked with this script:

https://gist.github.com/ruario/4ef8c...c0e9b10c86d672

(a copy is also installed in the doc directory after install)

Note: Unlike SBo, I am using a packaging naming convention that is like the official (rpm/deb) packages ('vivaldi-stable' instead of just 'vivaldi'). As such, if you had an SBo version before you should upgrade like so:

I usually avoid posting about updates here because others tend to do it anyway and if I did it, it might look like spam. However, since nobody has mentioned it yet and because the update today includes a fix for CVE-2021-37973 (which is exploited in the wild), I will break my rule this time and mention that we have a minor update:

https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/update-two-4-2/

As before, here is a package:

vivaldi-stable-4.2.2406.52-x86_64-1ruario.txz

Note: See my previous comment about the script I used to create this and how to upgrade from the SBo version which is differently named.

If you are Vivaldi employee, why cant you list your Slackware package on the downloads page with the debs, rpms and exes?

Not complaining, just wondering.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I certainly wouldn't consider it spam to announce releases of Vivaldi on a thread dedicated to Vivaldi, whether or not it includes a link to your Slackware package.

Yes I could but it is not quite that simple. There are two issues here. First if I offer the Slackware package from the official download page, it becomes official and we have some commitment to then support it going forward. I am the only employee in the company running Slackware and certainly the only one who knows anything about Slackware packaging. If it was official it should be tested (and potentially fixed) before we go live with any release. How should this be handled if I am sick, on vacation or left Vivaldi (I am not planning to do the latter but you get the idea).

The second problem is that offering a download of a single file without some easily understood update method is far from ideal. It is especially important with browsers that you keep them up to date to ensure you are secure. A single file with no easy update mechanism does not handle that.

Normally I maintain the SBo package (at the moment this is not updated purely because we are in RC status for the new release but this is a rare occurrence since Slackware does not churn out new releases all the time). I think that SBo is better for most Slackware users as it is the main third party repository anyway. It is where users go to look for packages first and foremost and many (perhaps most?) also use tools like sbopkg to keep packages in sync and up to date. In addition I offer a script to automate finding and repackaging the latest version.

I think that Slackware users are better placed to use those options than trying to remember to load our site from time to time to look for a new build.

P.S. In case you did not know, the official rpm and deb packages we offer configure a repository for you in post install to help ensure that users using them are up to date. I could have attempted to do something like that in post install on Slackware, i.e. configure a slackpkg+ or slaptget repo but a lot of people do not use either of these. I suspect Sbo with something like sbopkg is far more common. It is also very un-Slackware to attempt to configure repositories for the user in post install. I know this community, I suspect if I did it I would get more complaints than thanks. To be honest I suspect few people would touch my packages again. So I still think SBo is probably the best option in this case to ensure people are up to date and is actually better than offering a native package from our website IMHO. I only do it now because SBo is frozen.

Yes I guess since I did not create this thread and it has continued independently of me it is not so bad. I just know that in some forums when an employee drops in out of the blue and says, "Hey guys check out my new software" it can go badly. But sure, in this case it is probably OK, which is why I did do it in the end. Also a serious security issue is somewhat of a special case.

Hmm… more security updates (fixes for CVE-2021-37974, CVE-2021-37975 and CVE-2021-37976)

vivaldi-stable-4.2.2406.54-x86_64-1ruario.txz

And then i have found vivaldi has "split screen" but for tabs =B>

Aaaand, back to Vivaldi once again :hattip:

Vivaldi 4.3:
https://vivaldi.com/sl/changelog-vivaldi-browser-4-3/

We have actually had a minor update since that one. ;)

Here is my personal repack of it: vivaldi-stable-4.3.2439.44-x86_64-1ruario.txz

I pretty much always have a repack in that location for my own usage (just adjust the version number). Alternatively, it is repacked with this script if you want/need to do it yourself.

P.S. As much as I like and appreciate people notifying others of updates to our browser, just a heads up, if anyone wants to know when new versions come out and what they include, you can subscribe to the following two RSS feeds:

• https://vivaldi.com/category/desktop-releases/feed/ (Major releases)
• https://vivaldi.com/category/desktop-updates/feed/ (Minor security updates to the above)

(There is even a feeds reader built right into Vivaldi that you could use, to subscribe to the above)

If you want to follow the development (snapshot) stream updates as well, use this:

• https://vivaldi.com/category/desktop-snapshots/feed/

I don't suppose anyone reading this (who uses Vivaldi) is Oslo based? If so could you send me a private message.

I just tried Vivaldi a few hours ago and have been using it all morning.
So far - love it! This may be my new primary browser.

(Thanks for the packaging script ruario. Super fast and convenient building the latest version on current.)

Another Chromium security issue being exploited in the wild (there are actually 2 in Chr95 but we are following the 94 extended release cycle and security updates for the time being)

https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/update-three-4-3/

vivaldi-stable-4.3.2439.63-x86_64-1ruario.txz