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You missed the last part of my question... Why would Google even care to pay them to change it? Google already has the largest market share of browsers by a long shot... is paying Vivaldi to change their user agent really going to make any difference? Plus Vivaldi will miss out on being separated into a distinct browser in regards to marketshare.......
World domination. Greed.
I'm in my 7th decade and having lived when things were, by all measure, better than they are now, I would say the biggest problem the U.S. has now, and has had for the last twenty years or so is, unprecedented, unconscionable, unbelievably shortsighted corporate greed. Hence, the cynicism.
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.....exist outside of cwizardone mind)......
While we are "in my mind" perhaps you can explain something. As you know I was a big fan of the "old" Opera (12.16 and earlier) and have tried Vivaldi from time to time, but the thing that drives me away is it appears to remember the browsing history regardless of what is done to erase it.
IIRC, I've brought this up before.
Every other browser I've ever used, including Vivaldi, will highlight a link on a web page, once you click on it and every other browser, except Vivaldi, will clear those highlighted links (return them to their normal color) once you have cleared your history. With Vivaldi you can close/leave a web site, clear your history via alt-t-d and then click on "delete," return to the web page and the links are still highlighted. Having done all the above you can close Vivaldi, restart it, return to the web page and the links are still highlighted.
It has to be storing the history to do that, is it not?
BTW, it would be easier if, like the "old" Opera, you could clear private data with alt-t-d and then hit enter, rather than having to tab to the detele button or click the delete button with the mouse. It would also nice if this process was still available when in the private browsing mode.
Last edited by cwizardone; 12-20-2019 at 11:18 AM.
No Google are not paying us off, they are screwing us over and have been for years.
I feel that I need to repeat and clarify my opinion on this.
While I don't think that it's a conspiracy, like cwizardone has said, I do think that it's a bad idea to change the string to Chrome. When you do this, you have just told every website that Vivaldi no longer exists and they don't need to change anything on their end to accommodate Vivaldi and their users.
If you want mainstream growth and acceptance you need your name out there in their faces and the end users complaining to broken websites that they need to fix their site to work with the browser that they have chosen.
I still think that something like a string spoofer would be a better option for sites that don't cooperate for the moment. In time after Vivaldi has made the impression across the Internet that it is here to stay, it may no longer be needed.
Please remember that this is only my opinion, and suggestions.
World domination. Greed.
I'm in my 7th decade and having lived when things were, by all measure, better than they are now, I would say the biggest problem the U.S. has now, and has had for the last twenty years or so is, unprecedented, unconscionable, unbelievably shortsighted corporate greed. Hence, the cynicism.
I don't disagree that there is a lot of corporate greed, but where's the benefit for Google to take a relatively unknown browser (sorry ruario) and pay them to make it look like Chrome to websites? Who would even care? According to this, Vivaldi is at 0.04% market share and Chrome is at 63.75%. At this point, Google is dominating the browser market. Why would they care to pay to have a company switch their browser's identity to increase their marketshare an additional paltry 0.04%?
That is a very pessimistic way to look at life. Do you think Ford decided to end production of most of their cars in the US because some automaker decided to pay them to do so? You can pretty much take any situation and reach far enough that it could potentially be linked to another company paying them off, but then if logic is used, most will realize that they were trying to force something that is very unlikely. Simply look at Occam's razor. I hope there's at least a lot more optimism in other aspects of your life
But greed really doesn't explain why Google would feel it is worth some untold amount of money to boost their percentage by 0.04% in browser share metrics. They're already so far ahead of their competition that such a minuscule amount would not matter to pretty much anyone.
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Ford? Pinto!
GM? Do you know what GM did with the almost billion dollar bail out? They built a factory in China!
Boeing? 737-Max.
Pullman, et al.
It's a long list, but it is ALL about the money.
Didn't we once have a "beat a dead horse" smilie?
You have your opinion and I have mine.
You are not going to change mine and I doubt I will change yours.
Which is fine.
Maybe if Ford gave the public what they want, a REAL FULL SIZE 4 door sedan, people would buy it.
If they made such a vehicle every police department in the country would line up to buy it
and that alone would turn a profit.
As it is law enforcement has been buying SUVs for 1, their size, and, two,
rear wheel drive. It is harder to control a car when the same wheels that propel the vehicle are
also used to steer it.
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Ford? Pinto!
GM? Do you know what GM did with the almost billion dollar bail out? They built a factory in China!
Boeing? 737-Max.
Pullman, et al.
It's a long list, but it is ALL about the money.
Didn't we once have a "beat a dead horse" smilie?
These examples of corporate greed are completely unrelated to this situation. This isn't a something with a defect that can cause it to explode, it isn't a bailout, they aren't trying to push something out to the industry without enough training to try and compete better with a competitor. This would be like GM paying some soapbox derby kid to rename their soapbox to Chevy for "greed". Nobody would care other than the kid who got the payout and why would GM even want to pay that kid? There just doesn't seem to be any benefit for Google to pay money for this.
To put the browser numbers into perspective. If you had 10,000 people at a browser festival, 6,375 would be wearing Chrome t-shirts and 4 would be wearing Vivaldi t-shirts. Is it really worth trying to pay someone to get those 4 people to wear Chrome t-shirts instead of Vivaldi? Would anyone even notice?
But when you realize that those 4 people might be refused service at the concession stands because of their shirts or that they are only offered a minimal menu because of they have Vivaldi on their shirts... then they see everyone with Chrome shirts able to go to all booths and order off the full menu, could you see why they might like to switch shirts?
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It is harder to control a car when the same wheels that propel the vehicle are
also used to steer it.
Slightly oversimplified, it's all down to road/weather conditions. On snow, ice, mud, RWD cars handle terrible. WHen looking at rally results it's hard to find RWD cars among the winners. Almost all FWD or 4WD.
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Slightly oversimplified, it's all down to road/weather conditions. On snow, ice, mud, RWD cars handle terrible. WHen looking at rally results it's hard to find RWD cars among the winners. Almost all FWD or 4WD.
Interesting, as every law enforcement officer I've discussed this with prefers RWD and cite handling as the reason. Traction has more to do with the amount of weight over the wheels.
But we are way off topic. Let's get back to my question in post #333.
Last edited by cwizardone; 12-21-2019 at 06:42 AM.
Ruarí, do you plan to update the SlackBuild in near future to change the maintainer name? In this case, you will receive mails asking to upgrade the script :-)
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