Vivaldi seems to have finally won me over

orbea · 05-25-2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by l0f4r0

Probably, help yourself: https://vivaldi.com/source/
But beware, as far as I know Vivaldi is almost open-source i.e source code is not available for all its components...

Thanks, I downloaded the latest tarball (vivaldi-source_2.5.1525.tar.xz) which is 1484 MB compressed. It consists of 7.3 GB of chromium source and 20 MB of vivaldi source, but from looking at the existing vivaldi source there are some crucial files missing which I suspect may contain the relevant code. For example the entire net and services directories are missing, but clearly should exist as they can be seen as includes in other files.

I would personally consider the claims to be entirely false unless they can be properly audited.

Lysander666 · 05-26-2019, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by orbea

Thanks, I downloaded the latest tarball (vivaldi-source_2.5.1525.tar.xz) which is 1484 MB compressed. It consists of 7.3 GB of chromium source and 20 MB of vivaldi source, but from looking at the existing vivaldi source there are some crucial files missing which I suspect may contain the relevant code. For example the entire net and services directories are missing, but clearly should exist as they can be seen as includes in other files.

I would personally consider the claims to be entirely false unless they can be properly audited.

This may help:

https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-...i-open-source/

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Vivaldi is not made available under one unified open source license. It does contain the Chromium source code with changes made to allow the HTML/CSS/JS based UI to run. All changes to the Chromium source code are made available under a BSD license and can be read by anyone on vivaldi.com/source/. Details in this regard are explained in the the README and LICENSE files within the package.

In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit.

orbea · 05-26-2019, 08:53 AM

That doesn't remotely help and is not even relevant...

The problem is as far as I can tell is that none of the net code is publicly available and the core of vivaldi is essentially a black box. There is something inherently untrustworthy about someone that handles a security sensitive service and tells people to just trust them while not offering any transparency. Not to mention its not remotely reproducible as is.

Lysander666 · 05-26-2019, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by orbea

That doesn't remotely help and is not even relevant...

Hence my wording of "this may help".

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Originally Posted by orbea

The problem is as far as I can tell is that none of the net code is publicly available and the core of vivaldi is essentially a black box. There is something inherently untrustworthy about someone that handles a security sensitive service and tells people to just trust them while not offering any transparency. Not to mention its not remotely reproducible as is.

A couple of interesting posts on the matter:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/2444...source-vivaldi
https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrow...ource/de8h5kr/

One argument:

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for now Vivaldi has some unique features that other companies would like, Google with Chrome first. Vivaldi being still a fairly new browser that also wants its share of the market, completely releasing its code would be suicide. It is understood therefore that Jon at the moment wants to safeguard his inventions.

Totoro-kun · 05-26-2019, 12:01 PM

Found another issue with vivaldi browser. For some reason it want's to create a new keyring after each PC reboot and thus all my saved passwords are lost :O My .cache folder is now full of keyring-someid directories. Same things happen with both SBo version and repackaged deb version.

Lysander666 · 05-26-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Totoro-kun

Found another issue with vivaldi browser. For some reason it want's to create a new keyring after each PC reboot and thus all my saved passwords are lost :O My .cache folder is now full of keyring-someid directories. Same things happen with both SBo version and repackaged deb version.

This is an ongoing issue with Chromium that I have also had pre-Vivaldi in my Debian days.

This should help:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/324844/227411

Totoro-kun · 05-27-2019, 05:38 AM

Thanks, deleting all those stray keyrings and then running Vivaldi with --pasword-store=basic for 1st run, seems to have helped:

Code:

$ vivaldi-stable --password-store=basic "$@"

Creation of random keyrings have stopped even if I am running it normally now. However, my passwords are simply not there after PC restart...

Anyhow, it was fun while it lasted. Back to Firefox now

l0f4r0 · 06-08-2019, 05:21 AM

Answer from Vivaldi about what is going on regarding Manifest v3 / ad blocking extension restriction by Google

slalik · 06-20-2019, 12:30 PM

The Vivaldi SlackBuild in the pending queue dropped the support of the variable CUSTOM_CSS, because new version 2.6 allows to activate the possibility to customize the user interface using a css file via vivaldi://experiments/

Lysander666 · 06-23-2019, 06:36 AM

2.5.1525.48 upgraded to 2.6.1566.40.

Abusive ad-blocking added and enabled by default [can be disabled].

User profile customisation improved.

Also:

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Filter saved passwords in Settings
Unread tab indicator in Window Panel
Open links using Find in Page with Ctrl+Enter
Display Search Engine icons in the Search Field
Headset support in our Razer Chroma integration
Performance gains in Tab Tiling and Panels

More info:

https://vivaldi.com/browser/whats-new-in-vivaldi-2-6/

Also a six-question survey at the above.

Lysander666 · 08-21-2019, 03:32 PM

Upgraded to 2.7 with added tab mute for annoying sites that autoplay audio/video.

Release announcement:

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-7...y-to-your-day/

Reminder of ruario's script link:

https://gist.github.com/ruario/dcbba...cc883542ff7ace

denydias · 08-26-2019, 02:19 AM

I've been watching this post for a while now. This weekend I finally had the time to install Vivaldi using Ruarí's gist.

I'm still getting acquainted to Vivaldi's UI and settings. Looks promising. Vivaldi is just a few steps away from receiving the 'click that button and make it the default browser' status here.

One of the most nice features Vivaldi apparantely has and that I never seen from any other browser out there (I can talk this from Mosaic ages at least) is not even a modern tech trick. It's called Ruarí Ødegaard and his colleagues. To see people here talking straight to the ones making the thing and getting answered by them is quite a lovely touch.

PS: I've tried Vivaldi in the past, when its source code status was uncertain. Albeit having proprietary parts, things on this field looks to have been improved. I'm glad Vivaldi's staff have clarified that matter.

denydias · 08-28-2019, 12:21 PM

Oh boy! Vivaldi has lost its way to gloablly disable push notifications... there is a thread on this matter in Vivaldi's forum. No staff responses though.

Unfortunately, the 'relevant URLs for this' lost their functions and are not relevante anymore.

Notification abuse is a real problem nowadays. I would love to hear a word on when we, the users, will have back the ability to just turn off push notifications globally in Vivaldi.

Timothy Miller · 08-28-2019, 12:28 PM

Well, the last reply by ANYONE in that thread is well over a year old...

And it seems to work for me. I can go to vivaldi://chrome and it brings up the settings, I can search for notifications and get taken to where I can block notifications globally (which I do), or block & allow on a per-site basis.

denydias · 08-28-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Timothy Miller

Well, the last reply by ANYONE in that thread is well over a year old...

Yup, which is quite disapointing 'cause nobody have come up with this subject since and staff have not participated in it either. This looks like a business decision. It'll be nice if some insider could confirm or deny that feeling of mine. Also, if denying, provide a time frame when this functionality will be restored.

I've tried to disable the three hidden flags related to notifications:

Code:

chrome://flags/#device-discovery-notifications
chrome://flags/#enable-native-notifications
chrome://flags/#session-restore-prioritizes-background-use-cases

None have worked. Push notifications requests from sites still pops up.