Using Slackware makes me feel like a melomaniac with a rack stuffed with vinyls.
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I deactivated udev in 14.0 and everything went well in the linux consoles but X hanged the system. How did you stop it, would you mind telling us?
I did that as well, didn't work. I said I deactivated hald which was introduced with SL 12.0 (??).
Nope, no choice with udev.
There was a guy sometime back, here, who was talking about going back to an earlier release (10 I think) to see how things were done there in order to see whether he could do the same with the current release - haven't heard any more. Anyone else remember that?
Actually around year 2000 I was fascinated by the mosix kernel extension. None of the existing distros was suitable for playing with it. So I had to roll my own. I used Slackware as a starting point but everything was built mostly from scratch around the encap package manager. I was able to turn any existing network into mosix cluster by simply booting the computers from my cd. The mosix was forked to openmosix but became irrelevant with the availability of cheap multicore cpus and abandoned.
I used that too, at the time (but we used another platform, because my fella at work is a debian guy, so we used that and the just-born knoppix): FYI, it's still active (we even tried it again a few years ago, to have lot of cores available) and got also nice new features but now it's commercial only (with some facilities for academic use)...
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Originally Posted by ivandi
So yes making a distro is simple(relatively) task of assembling pieces of software. It is not science.
well, variables are an awful lot, not to count the knowledge involved, so I think yes, also to do that can still count as computer science.
to have chances to be pushed, also those should be maintained (and they should probably follow the coding standards of Slackware's SlackBuilds, but this is another matter...): FYI (as I think there has been a misunderstanding), Vincent Batts is maintaining his scripts, advertised repeatedly here and elsewhere (they are not secret at all), since Slackware 13...
also, rocket science isn't that hard: one of our students made one a few years ago.
Perhaps it's art. And like art at least half the trick is to be blessed with the intuition to know what work should not be done. This is Slackware's strength, in my not so humble or informed opinion, having not used it all that long. You know, there are guitar solos like the hair metal bands had with many notes per second and then there are Kenny Burrell's guitar solos.
So someone in the non-bsd section of a bsd forum recently pointed out Morpheus, which uses a lot of the suckless software and is partly inspired by plan 9. It looks interesting, but is it art?
Seems like the init system that shall not be named has maybe spurred quite a few malcontents to try creating new minimal distros lately. Or maybe they had this idea for awhile. One weird thing to me with the minimalists is they seem to like a statically linked libc. If you do that how manageable are security updates to libc? Okay folks, update your libc and these 300 programs and libraries.
I did that as well, didn't work. I said I deactivated hald which was introduced with SL 12.0 (??).
Nope, no choice with udev.
There was a guy sometime back, here, who was talking about going back to an earlier release (10 I think) to see how things were done there in order to see whether he could do the same with the current release - haven't heard any more. Anyone else remember that?
Seems like the init system that shall not be named has maybe spurred quite a few malcontents
A very provocative remark.
No. They were the ones who were quite contented. We were and are contented. We still have the slackware init system. :D
A few malcontents decided to replace the init systems of all distros. They are not content until they achieve their aim and - even then - they are still not contented as they are now changing other things.
They are the malcontents.
We were otherwise content until they turned up on our doorstep.
Thanks - that's very interesting indeed - for me at least - since I use Ratpoison and even if I used something else it wouldn't be KDE or Xfce.
You could have specified this before. After our discussion about automounting on production desktops in earlier Slackware versions, I feel now like the guy who tried to discuss the appropriate spicing of raw T-Bone steak with a vegan.
You could have specified this before. After our discussion about automounting on production desktops in earlier Slackware versions, I feel now like the guy who tried to discuss the appropriate spicing of raw T-Bone steak with a vegan.
I know, our ancestors hunted bears with their bare hands and mounted their USB devices manually or using scripts. If you're the only user of your machine, then this is probably true. If you have dozens or hundreds of them, I'd like to watch you explaining to them (every single user) that they can't access their removable devices like they do with Windows, but that they have to run a series of scripts.
to have chances to be pushed, also those should be maintained (and they should probably follow the coding standards of Slackware's SlackBuilds, but this is another matter...): FYI (as I think there has been a misunderstanding), Vincent Batts is maintaining his scripts, advertised repeatedly here and elsewhere (they are not secret at all), since Slackware 13...
I wonder if this stuff is usable and maintained why someone who is willing to deploy Slackware commercially is forced to stick with NIS. I took a look at the /source and it is barely usable.
I am not trying to be pushed. I was just willing to share my spare time and skills and to provide a working example how the things could be done. I stated in the beginning that I can't provide maintenance for the simple reason that I can't guarantee my availability. My life doesn't revolve around computers since long ago.
If Slackware is to be dumbed down to the bare minimum I couldn't care less. I am perfectly able to solve my computer problems myself. Its not "rocket science" (or whatever the English idiom for something not so complicated is).
There was a time when the word Linux meant Slackware. It is not the case anymore.
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