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Old 08-01-2017, 05:14 AM   #16
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I get the feeling that if I select a Skylake mobo I should use Slackware Current or wait until the release?
I have one Skylake server with SATA SSDs that works perfectly with 14.2 (4.4 kernel). On desktop and notebooks with Skylake CPUs and NVMe SSDs I use the current kernel, that is 3 packages: kernel-generic, kernel-modules, and kernel-source I take from current.
 
Old 08-01-2017, 07:46 AM   #17
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upnort --

I am very happily running Slackware 14.2 on my Skylake Laptop with an i7-6700K Processor + MoBo.

My Laptop does not have the same Class of MoBo you're asking about, but Slackware 14.2 with the 4.4.x Kernels has run very well since Feb 8 2016, even before the first Release Candidate was announced on Mar 17, 2016.

The first Kernel I installed on Feb 8, 2016 was Linux 4.4.1 which was released in Slackware pre-14.2 on Feb 3, 2016.

Note: Before I committed to Slackware 14.2, I ran Alien Bob's Slackware Live ISO Image to make sure everything was working properly before wiping Win10 from the System.

HTH.

-- kjh

P.S. I've stayed with Linux 4.4.x and I am presently running 4.4.79 HUGE built with Pat's SlackBuilds

Code:
# count-proc   # see below for the script

8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz
Code:
# lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers (rev 07)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sky Lake PCIe Controller (x16) (rev 07)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI Controller (rev 31)
00:14.2 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H Thermal subsystem (rev 31)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H CSME HECI #1 (rev 31)
00:17.0 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H SATA controller [AHCI mode] (rev 31)
00:1b.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Root Port #17 (rev f1)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #1 (rev f1)
00:1c.6 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #7 (rev f1)
00:1c.7 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #8 (rev f1)
00:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #9 (rev f1)
00:1d.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #13 (rev f1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H LPC Controller (rev 31)
00:1f.2 Memory controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PMC (rev 31)
00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio (rev 31)
00:1f.4 SMBus: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H SMBus (rev 31)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204M [GeForce GTX 970M] (rev a1)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
02:00.0 SATA controller: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Device a801 (rev 01)
3c:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
3d:00.0 SD Host controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5250 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
3e:00.0 SATA controller: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Device a801 (rev 01)
3f:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)
# this is the count-proc script:

Code:
#!/bin/sh

Tab=0     # numeric tab-over value if you want to indent output for a report

gawk '
BEGIN {

   Tab = "'"$Tab"'" +0

   FS  = ":" ;
   Ind = ""    # indent string if you want one

   if ( Tab > 0 )
   {
      Ind = sprintf( "%-" Tab "s", "" )
   }
   LookFor = "^ *model name" ;
}
{ 

   if ( ! match( $0, LookFor ))
   {
      next ;
   }
   CPU = $2 ; 

   gsub( /  */, " ", CPU )

   if ( ! ( CPU in CPUAry ))
   { 
      CPUAry[ CPU ] = 0 ;
   } 
   CPUAry[ CPU ] ++ ; 
}
END{ 

   for ( CPU in CPUAry )
   { 
      printf( "%s%d x%s\n", Ind, CPUAry[ CPU ], CPU ) ;
   } 
}' /proc/cpuinfo

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Old 08-01-2017, 09:24 AM   #18
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You are kind to specify your current motherboard make and model? This one driving that low power processor, sluggish with the virtual machines?
Please read the original post rather than just jumping into the middle of a discussion.

I'm not interested in skinning cats.

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Old 08-03-2017, 02:19 PM   #19
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What kind of energy consumption do you Skylake owners see with your rigs? Lots of variables, yes. Just trying to get a basic idea of consumption at idle -- I don't want a foot warmer.

Edit: I'm fuzzy about UEFI. My current office system drive is formatted with GPT on a traditional BIOS mobo. Do I understand correctly that a UEFI system requires a dedicated EFI partition? If yes then that means I would have to repartiton the drive? I am aware that UEFI supports legacy BIOS and that is not the focus of my question.

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Old 08-03-2017, 02:24 PM   #20
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Amazing! You care about "energy consumption" while you want power to crunch data and play smoothness with virtual machines?
 
Old 08-03-2017, 03:07 PM   #21
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Edit: I'm fuzzy about UEFI. My current office system drive is formatted with GPT on a traditional BIOS mobo. Do I understand correctly that a UEFI system requires a dedicated EFI partition? If yes then that means I would have to repartiton the drive? I am aware that UEFI supports legacy BIOS and that is not the focus of my question.
I'll have to pull wattage from my battery backup when I get home.

But yes, UEFI does require a separate partition and it is typically mounted under /boot/efi/ (I'm not sure that's in the spec, but I believe it is expected by most bootloaders). I think typical recommendations are around 100MB (I gave mine 500MB, since in the past, I have played wiht a lot of different kernels and tend to keep them for a long period of time) and it is formatted using FAT32 (mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdxY).

I manually edit my /boot/efi/EFI/Slackware/elilo.conf file rather than letting eliloconfig manage it for me. It is like editing your /etc/lilo.conf and has very similar syntax.

Initially, I was worried about switching to UEFI... really, just because it was new and unknown. I had my 14.1 install on an older SSD, and I had my shiny new Samsung 960 EVO 1TB NVMe drive plugged in the motherboard, just waiting to get 14.2 installed on it. Since I knew the 14.2 installer had issues with UEFI and NVMe drives (it's since been fixed in -current, but I don't want to run -current on that machine), I manually partitioned and formatted the drive within my 14.1 install. I then mounted the main drive and then overrode the installation directory using the ROOT variable and installed everything to the new drive. I then realized I had no idea how to set up UEFI, and I couldn't use eliloconfig, since I hadn't booted using UEFI. I knew 14.2's eliloconfig didn't work with NVMe, so I grabbed the one from -current and overwrote the one installed on 14.2. After that, I grabbed Didier's "fake" install ISO and dd'd it to a thumb drive and booted up the installer in UEFI mode. I set up the swap and mounting points, then skipped the installation and went right to the post-install setup scripts. This included the initial setup of elilo on the drive.

Once that was done, I rebooted into my 14.1 install and then ended up creating my initrds (I also installed the -current kernel so I had both 4.4 and 4.9 installed) and then updated my elilo.conf. Rebooted into the NVMe to test everything, and it worked beautifully.

Long story short, if you're not using an NVMe, drive, UEFI is cake. If you're using an NVMe drive on 14.2, better be prepared to do a little tinkering, but it should be easy on -current.

Sorry for the novel...
 
Old 08-03-2017, 03:10 PM   #22
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Amazing! You care about "energy consumption" while you want power to crunch data and play smoothness with virtual machines?
Darth Vader, for your sake, I wrote the following in my original post:
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I am not looking for bleeding edge or flaky drivers. Just something newer and faster. Anything I buy will be a noticeable performance boost. That said, I want quiet more than muscle.
I don't see in my posts where have I written or implied that I "want power to crunch data and play smoothness with virtual machines."

Regarding virtual machines I wrote:

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I run VirtualBox VMs on this thing. Kind of sluggish.
Kind of sluggish ties into my statement of "Anything I buy will be a noticeable performance boost."

Kind of sluggish does not mean painful or impossible. My car is not a speedster or roadster, but gets me to where I want to go. Likewise with my current office computer. I am now running virtual machines on the system despite approaching 10 years of age. Seems any newer system will run virtual machines too and faster. So running virtual machines is not a topic of concern. I wrote "I want quiet more than muscle." Thus asking about energy consumption is a reasonable request.

Although I did not write that I "want power to crunch data and play smoothness with virtual machines," wanting a newer system does not mean energy conservation is impossible or that there is no comfortable middle ground. I know how much energy my current system uses, but I am unfamiliar with newer hardware and I asked.

I accept that English is not your native language. All I ask is you exert some effort to read, comprehend, and provide a poster the benefit of doubt and engage in helpful discussion. If you are unwilling or incapable of doing that then I ask that you do not reply to anything I post.
 
Old 08-03-2017, 03:18 PM   #23
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ASRock Z97 extreme3. Any of the ASRock Z97 boards really, but I've only personally touched the extreme3. That and a 4th gen Core i7 will be a lot cheaper than a more modern one, work without a lot of frustration since it's not "bleeding edge" hardware, and still offers incredible performance.
 
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Sorry for the novel...
No apologies needed or requested! I have not kept pace with hardware. Hence this thread and my new question.

I have been exposed to only one UEFI systems and that was another person's. From that one experience I framed my question.

If I understand correctly, I can buy a UEFI mobo, configure for legacy mode, and my current hard drive should run just fine without tinkering. But the proverbial handwriting is on the wall and I probably should buy a UEFI system even if I do not immediately use UEFI. Nominal future proofing but not much.

I won't be dual or multi booting with this system. I tend to leave the office system alone and tinker elsewhere.

Probably the most frustrating part of this search for a new system is discovering that newegg has been converted into spastic JavaScript POS.
 
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No apologies needed or requested! I have not kept pace with hardware. Hence this thread and my new question.

I have been exposed to only one UEFI systems and that was another person's. From that one experience I framed my question.

If I understand correctly, I can buy a UEFI mobo, configure for legacy mode, and my current hard drive should run just fine without tinkering. But the proverbial handwriting is on the wall and I probably should buy a UEFI system even if I do not immediately use UEFI. Nominal future proofing but not much.
I don't even know if you can get a semi-recent motherboard without UEFI. I think it's been pretty standard for a few years. But most, if not all (that we can buy), will have the ability to run legacy mode -- which, yes, means you can use your existing harddrive without any modification (except for maybe mount points, if the motherboard changes the order). I had my motherboard for over a year running legacy mode until I decided to finally switch to UEFI when I installed 14.2 on my NVMe drive (which was like 1 1/2 weeks ago, so it's still fresh in my mind).
 
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ASRock Z97 extreme3. Any of the ASRock Z97 boards really
The board you mention (and some of the boards mentioned by other helpful posters) satisfies my original desires of at least 1 PS/2, 6 SATA 3 ports, on-board video, DVI-D, and not bleeding edge. My frustration is these boards seem out of stock with online retailers. Perhaps I should buy refurbished and then transplant the mobo into my existing case.

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That and a 4th gen Core i7 will be a lot cheaper than a more modern one, work without a lot of frustration since it's not "bleeding edge" hardware, and still offers incredible performance.
That was the sentiment I wanted to convey in my original post.

That said, I do not mind buying a newer CPU such as Skylake, but I need to know that 14.2 will work without hiccups. From what I see, Kaby Lake or Ryzen requires running Current and even then might require compiling a newer kernel. I've done that kind of maintenance in the past, but these days life has other priorities and I don't have that kind of time. I also tend not to update to the next release of Slackware until a few months thereafter. Once upon a time I did update within days of release, but those other priorities now get in the way of playing full time geekster.

At the moment I am leaning toward the compromise of buying an i5. No hyper threading but has four cores and a notable difference in price from an i7. The i5 somewhat satisfies my desire for quieter rather than muscle and will be a dramatic improvement over the current system.

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yes, means you can use your existing harddrive without any modification (except for maybe mount points, if the motherboard changes the order).
Good to know. Thanks. Only one hard drive in this system and likely will stay that way.

Edit: "My frustration is these boards seem out of stock with online retailers." I did not mean that all such recommendations are out of stock. Only that many of them are and that makes searching more challenging.

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Over the last couple of hours I've been "shopping" for a new moherboard and CPU at newegg.com and frys.com.
Having a Ryzen processor would be nice, but, as it has been pointed out, Linux hasn't "caught up" with the Ryzen and Kaby Lake CPUs yet, and mickeysoft has colluded with the hardware manufacturers to prevent the use of any version of windows older than 10.
At the moment I'm leaning towards a Skylake CPU and the Asus Prime Z270 motherboard.
We'll see.........
BTW, if anyone is looking at the Ryzen processors, newegg.com is having a sale on the Asus Prime X370-A board and, separately, the Ryzen 5, 1600. Both prices good until the middle of next week.

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At the moment I'm leaning towards a Skylake CPU and the Asus Prime Z270 motherboard.
According to your profile, you are using Current and not 14.2?

I am close to selecting one pre-Skylake motherboard, but I am thinking I should select a Skylake system too. Been more than a year since 14.2 was released. Possibly Current is getting close to an official release, which would have improved support for Skylake.
 
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The Skylake processors were released two years ago this month, so I would think, hope, that by now the Linux kernel would support them.
Here is one announcement I found,

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29552...thusiasts.html

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I prefer to dual boot with Slackware64-current as the main OS and Xp-sp3 on a small partition for the rare occasion I need it, e.g., last weekend when the audio ports died.

It occurred to me to double check as to whether or not older versions of windows will run on the Skylake processors and the information is conflicting, at best. Some say win7 will run on Skylake and one person has ran winXp on a overclocked i7-6700K skylake, but other sources say it is, as of 2017, not possible to run any version of windows older than 10.
If that is the case, I might as well buy a Ryzen....
Anyone know for sure?
 
  


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